Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

Or alternatively put in place safe, legal routes. The human thing to do.

come on now - you cannot seriously believe that many, if not most, of those on the small boats are genuine asylum seekers and not economic migrants? Nobody can be that naive surely?

We should do them a kindness then and make sure it’s never an option available to them.

You’re very, very fortunate that you have never had to weigh up the value of your life. Whether attempting to cross a dangerous channel might be worth the risk.

Just try to imagine for a moment thinking the life you are trying to leave behind you is so terrible that you would choose that possibility, drowning.

You aren't responsible the majority of people aren't. I also agree that government shouldn't be cutting as much foreign aid, even where they do it, they need to be thoughtful about it. At a time when conflict, war, terror, violence is getting worse is not the time. Even for example with USAID, they cut funding for things already bought, so for example they bad already bought lots of boxes of the pastes and food they use specifically for malnourished children, these were in a warehouse about to be sent, the flight wasn't being paid for my USAID. But they stopped the funding and as the food, pastes etc were USAID property they didn't give it to them, they let it rot in a warehouse for 2 months, it is now unusable and that is a complete waste. Money which had already been appropriated by Congress as well, which is the legal process in the U.S.

What I would say is the only thing seperating you from being a refugee is luck. Luck that you were born in a safe and somewhat prosperous country. Luck that a dictatorship hasn't taken over, that a terrorist group doesn't displace you. Luck that a tyrant doesn't invade your country, luck that you don't endure famine or violence from your own military, or attacks of sexual violence on mass (DRC currently). If you were one of these people you'd likely want that empathy and it's not far fetched that the UK could be in that position and you may want the empathy of other countries as well. As I said the East of Africa, 5.7 million refugees whilst having their own issues of 18 million internally displaced people, which if far more dire. Again the West of Africa has taken 2.55 million refugees as well. The MENA region around 16 million, so it's quite unfair to say that other nations or regions don't do their part or offer their country up for these people.

Even in comparison to France who took around 150k last year and Germany 220k, whereas we took 100k. Technically only 39k were accepted however the Home office lacks so many staff that it the amount of claims taking months and years for them to even get through simple steps and that means lots of people claims who may not be accepted, are still being processed for way too long and then decisions can't be made on whether they can stay or not. Which is also a major issue.

They are not in the uk illegally!

Seeking asylum, however you arrive, is legal. Your case is then assessed.

If it is considered valid, you are granted leave to remain. If it is not, you are reported.

It’s really not that hard to understand.

My husnsnd’s surgeons were very unlikely to have arrived in the UK via small boat. My point was that, however people arrive here, they are more likely than not to contribute to the betterment of the UK.

Okay? Probably still better than a warzone. If we didn't lay out the red carpet for them they wouldn't want to come here. I wouldn't risk death on the channel. We don't have to take them in.

Hmmm I wonder how many of them paid people smugglers to get them to the UK in a dinghy 🤔

Like many, I am not against controlled migration of skilled workers and their families who make a net contribution to the UK, learn English (if they didn’t already speak it), follow UK laws rather than medieval cultural practices and generally make a positive contribution.

Not the same as those coming over illegally in small boats, being net takers and contributing very little to society/community whilst reaping the benefits of being in the UK illegally.

There were three people who had been there longer than we were. I’m really not making it up.
He was admitted three times over four months. The first wait wait was 18 hours when taken in by ambulance. The second was 32 hours and the last was 58 hours.

He had very complicated symptoms and because of his medical history I think they were looking into the wrong things initially.

Turned out his gallbladder was “nephrotic”. Not something anyone was looking at because he has a very rare genetic condition, which was what the staff focussed on.

Basicalky, it was dead, gangrenous, tissues had attached themselves to his liver and kidneys. Consultant (Bulgarian, bless her for ever) told us it was very, very difficult. But she did it, after three surgeries.

Sorry. tMI. But he’s cooking my dinner now 😁

So you agree with me - it’s a technicality.

In the very worst case 58 hours in a plastic chair in A&E.

Bloody hell that is shocking. How many people lose their lives from being left in a chair for 58 hours when seriously ill?

Of course not. But you would still be Spanish.

It’s a legal designation, sure. Technically so.

But I couldn’t claim to be Spanish by ethnicity, that I was just as Spanish as anyone born there, with ancestry spanning hundreds of years. It wouldn’t be true, would it?

I was flabbergasted too! The most important thing though is that my mum was. She has completely changed her opinions.

I imagine that there are millions of British people with similar stories.

We have unfortunately had to spend a great deal of time in Blackpool Victoria hospital in the past two years, much of it in A&E as my life threateningly ill husband (top bracket tax payer) was triaged and eventually admitted (in the very worst case 58 hours in a plastic chair in A&E) was assessed.

His surgeons, doctors and HCAs when he was finally admitted (after intravenous antibiotics for sepsis - third time I’m three years - in an overcrowded side room) were overwhelmingly immigrants. Thank god for them.

You can’t claim benefits if you’re in an asylum seeker in temporary accommodation i.e hotels. You can only claim benefits once your claim has been processed and you are given ‘leave to remain’, “ refugee status” to get this you need to prove that you are a refugee not an ‘economic migrant’. While you are waiting for your claim to be processed and in temporary accommodation such as a repurposed hotel if you are provided with meals you are given a allowance of £9 per week which will need to cover all the other basics such as toothpaste soap etc

I know. I realised quickly I’d made a mistake and rightly apologised. Sorry, again.

I have genuinely just taken to the internet and read all about this story, after your comment.

I think I’m a bit flabbergasted that I could even find it on there. Not because I didn’t believe you, it’s just crazy to me for some reason!

What a sad, and impressive history.

It was mind blowing, wasn’t it? We’ve basically been presented with the idea of Ug who bashed people with a club and grunted for decades.
Turns out they made art, carefully collected and sewed (sewed!) the feathers of beautiful birds into ceremonial gowns, made and wore jewellery and had ceremonial burials. I expect more will be discovered over the years.

On top of that, they were absolute masters of their environment.

But that legal designation is very important! (as is grammar, apologies for beginning a sentence with but).

I think that’s what’s referred to as suicidal empathy.

He's a convicted terrorist. He's a member of an organisation fundamentally opposed to Western/British values. He's illegally entered the UK. He's made a claim for asylum, despite already having been granted asylum in Turkey, where his wife and child live. He's already been put up in a hotel for 2 years waiting for his asylum claim - which should clearly be rejected by any sane person -to be processed. While the judicial system has been navel gazing for two years, he's raped a woman in a park and now he's in prison for that.

What part of that story leads you to believe we still need to exclude any lingering danger that his application gets judged based on unfair assumptions about him? He is a proven liability and he has absolutely no business being in this country at all. The fact that the system still hasn't figured that out means the system isn’t fit for purpose at this point.

And @TheLivelyViper I really don't feel responsible; the situation is not of my making. I can agree that refugee camps are shit places to end up, and yes, I feel very sorry for people who need them. I am happy to send a financial contribution to relieve the awfulness, but my sympathy stops well short of inviting them home.

Rude

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Talky Amy, not Tally. Bloody predictive text again!

Thank you.