Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

we have also been part of destabilising yhe middle east and Africa but let’s conveniently forget that eh?

So immigration/asylum is our sins-of-the-fathers punishment?

There are doctors and nurses and lawyers and physiotherapists and experienced carers and psychologists and teachers and many many more in those boats

No-one believes that any more.

we have also been part of destabilising yhe middle east and Africa but let’s conveniently forget that eh?
if you’re as old as you say you are, maybe your memory is failing you.

Because it fits your narrative it’s more credible. I work with asylum seekers all across the country, I’ve personally been in contact with probably 7 or 8 thousand in the last 5 years.

I’m not assuming anything, I regularly meet with asylum seekers and refugees.

I’m very well aware that life isn’t fair. I’m also well aware that what I’m saying I’d like to see doesn’t reflect the world. The question(s) I was asked, asked what MY opinion is and what I think is right.
So you can patronise me all you like, I know the world is full of selfish, self obsessed, self important, greedy people who think they deserve the wealth they have because they Worked Hard. They don’t like to admit to themselves that it’s mostly sheer luck as to where and to whom you are born whether you will be wealthy or not.
and none of that changes the fact that there are people in this country and the world over who are starving and others who are obscenely wealthy. The truth is there is plenty of resources to go round, but people are selfish and don’t want to share. You’ll never change my mind that a palace with hundreds of rooms being used for one family and hosting scum like Donald Trump over housing human beings is right, 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Papyrophile I didn't say they were mostly full of anyone (except genuine asylum seekers). I challenged the idea that well educated or skilled people wouldn't be arriving by boat. I don't see any basis for that assumption.

The NOTHING days, nothing nothing nothing!

I liked it when there was NOTHING.

“400 million years ago, when the first fish crawled up onto the land. OUR LAND.

Coming up here, onto OUR land with your barely developed lungs, and your hopes and dreams of a better tomorrow for fish. Get back in the sea!

I say we need to ensure the brightest and best fish stay in the sea and concentrate on making it aquatically prosperous instead of coming up here onto the land and beginning the process of evolution that will eventually lead to all life on Earth as we know it.”

But I don't think there is much evidence that the rubber boats are mainly full of useful professional people either. On balance, given the normal skill distribution across any population, it's probably reasonable to assume that 70% are keen but uneducated. Given that our own secondary schools manage to produce illiterates too, why am I worrying?

The issue is the world’s population with much of it living in untenable situations - likely to get worse. And then some living in pretty awful situations - for example letting yourself and your kids die of aids when a retroviral drug across the sea would solve it - not a reason for granting asylum but you’d chase that if possible wouldn’t you.
We do need a global solution- migration will increase though no one says that in any government. There are options - stop cutting foreign aid, stop bombing places, work collectively across the world. Let people understand the world isn’t going to remain rich. Get billionaires on board.
I can’t be a fan of I’m alright Jack - anyway it also wouldn’t end well ultimately. For me, we’ve had benefits of globalisation and now we need to accept responsibilities too.

Absolutely zero, frankly.

You may hold an opinion but what you're saying is demonstrably false. You are assuming the majority are economic migrants despite evidence to the contrary. The majority of people who have arrived by small boats have been granted asylum. Making vague comments about age and obvious truths doesn't change that. How much experience have you with the processes involved in seeking asylum?

Many years ago we did work at integrating refugees - Poirot was a fictional character but how he came to Britain and was welcomed at the local tea parties was based on fact. Then there’s Paddington!
We didn’t do this with the Windrush generation, we invited them then stuck notices on doors, and shuffled them all down the arse end of any city.
We didn’t learn from that.
Apart from the Ukrainians, and tbf some of the Syrian resettlement.
ESOL funding was cut around 2010 so access to learning English was made harder. I’ve taught people trying to get on the English FS rather than via the better route for them - though conversely some were way better educated, way better at grammar than I but they needed to jump through our requirement hoops to get anywhere.
Tbf also we have very little community going on for anyone - few adult centres with no free stuff such as cooking etc, though I think something like sure start may be coming back in.
Personally, I have no issue with different languages and find different cultures give so much to broaden our experience. Also in fact if my parents’ street had not been multi cultural they’d have had a much harder time when aging - family/community is really, really important in some cultures and they often extend that to everyone around.
I think you must have missed that one by led by donkeys projected onto the white cliffs of Dover I think, where an asylum seeker told his story, he was a dr.
Obviously, not all asylum seekers are drs - war doesn’t discriminate, but don’t dismiss out of hand. It’s quite a feat to get here - maybe they have enough bravery and nous to do well here.

If the intention is to create little [Syria/Pakistan/India/ Iran/Iraq] in Nottingham or Plymouth, then I am against the idea. Stay in Syria or wherever, and make your country what you want it to be.

No, I disagree, but I am probably older than you, and sceptical about most 'obvious' truths. Most economic migrants just see a better economy than the one they are leaving behind. I don't believe they are leaving for anything more than a better life, and I don't disagree with their reasoning either. But I also think that we/us/the UK/EU/Western world have put a lot of time and blood into making the world we live in, and we should only welcome people who wish to contribute to making it better.

I think the only "fact" is that they think they are reaching the Promised Land. They will rapidly be disabused of any such delusions. Bring on strict ID requirements.

You'd be wrong that most are economic migrants based on data showing % grants of asylum to people who have arrived via small boats.

@Youdontseehow , your version is more credible.

More assumptions and wrong again. My work in public health regularly and routinely brings me into contact with people off the boats - around 150/200 people every month. I’m involved in doing basic health assessments, ensuring people are vaccinated/free from TB etc and that they have medicines they need.

In the past 18 months, this has included two women and four children. The rest have been unskilled young men with extremely poor/no English and few skills. A couple of carpenters and farmers but that’s been it.

Until we get a breakdown, boat by boat, with certification of the qualifications of the people paying for transport on small rubber boats, then I tend to believe that most of them are economic migrants planning to deal drugs or clean cars. Call me cynical.

@OwlBeThere , I hope you are very very young because what I am about to write may be hurtful. There are clever people, who may be rich, and who might pass on clever genes to their offspring who might piss it up the wall or, get even richer. They might be cleverer than you, or more hard working. There are also a lot more people who are less clever; some are frankly stupid and could not find their way out of a paper bag. The bottom line is that life is not (and has never been) fair.

There are doctors and nurses and lawyers and physiotherapists and experienced carers and psychologists and teachers and many many more in those boats. Have you ever even spoken to a person who came in that way? Probably not. You’re just happy to assume they’re all criminals because it fits your narrative and stops you having to face the uncomfortable reality that these people are the same as you or me, they just happen to be born in a place that is currently unstable.

I don’t believe that you can be a billionaire ethically, exploitation of other people creates billionaires and as such they are morally dubious.
I can’t give you a specific number, personally I don’t believe that any of us own the earth and we shouldn’t live in a world where some people control huge percentages of a place whilst others starve to death.
i think it’s obscene that the royal family have houses with literally hundreds of bedrooms whilst people have nowhere to live, it baffles me that people are going after asylum seekers and refugees for taking up too much space, but are quite ok with that situation. I genuinely don’t understand it.