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Is this ignorance or just 2025?

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Andonemorething25 · 16/09/2025 20:18

We live in a posh bit of the SE . He’s been to a top 10 Uni. It’s not an Exeter/ Durham type place though and he’s nerdy not sporty.

He’s been invited to a black tie event. I asked him if he had a DJ and he didn’t know what that was. He thought it just meant wear a black tie.
Turns out he has never worn a dinner jacket or been to a posh do.
As a rural child of the 80’s it was just something that happened at the end of every year.. , Young Farmers, Secondary School, College, Rugby, Uni. Grew up with James Bond etc
Is he just actually a bit odd or is it not a thing anymore?

OP posts:
Borborygmus · 16/09/2025 22:27

I know that a DJ is a Dinner Jacket, but I've no idea what one looks like, or how it differs from any other jacket. I was unaware that a tuxedo is the same thing, and wouldn't know what one of those looks like either,

l3tsdanc3 · 16/09/2025 22:21

We wore them a lot at uni 15 years ago. Did he not have prom? That was black tie at our (state) school and probably the first time most of us wore black tie which was age 16. Do kids not do that now?

BigGra · 16/09/2025 22:17

Dinner jacket is a very outdated term.
Tuxedo would be more familiar with younger folk.

ThreePears · 16/09/2025 22:14

Andonemorething25 · 16/09/2025 20:33

He’s 22.
I’m just a bit taken aback. I just assumed he would know what black tie meant. It’s fairly mainstream. How does he not know?

I'm 63 and I have never been to a black tie event.

DashboardConfession · 16/09/2025 22:12

I did go to Durham and there aren't half as many black tie events as you'd think. The dress code for formals at my college was lounge suits or a midi or maxi dress/jumpsuit. Half the colleges were the same, but you wore your gowns on top. End of year ball was optional and expensive.

I only started having to shop for black tie dresses in my late 30s for an annual dinner at a finance conference and yes, I did have to google!

Silverbirchleaf · 16/09/2025 22:11

i’ve always know it as DJ, and would know what a black tie event event was.

Tux/tuxedo was the American phrase.

Octavia64 · 16/09/2025 22:07

Yeah I didn’t know until I went to uni.

school proms etc aren’t black tie.

NuovaPilbeam · 16/09/2025 22:05

- A tuxedo is more an American expression. I thought a DJ in reference to a black tie event was obvious in the UK.

From DH and his circle, knowing it as a DJ is very much the norm among the home counties moneyed class/public school sort of thing. It really isn't in common parlance among other folk.

Op are you from surrey, sussex or essex by chance

LlynTegid · 16/09/2025 22:04

In a way I am glad he did not know. It's the kind of socialising I would do a lot to avoid.

NuovaPilbeam · 16/09/2025 22:02

I grew up in a middle class home in a small town and went a top london uni (born in 80s).

I did not know the term "DJ" or dinner jacket until i met DH (from very plummy background). I would have known what james bond wore as a tuxedo, and no one i knew owned one. We did not go to any black tie events. There was a "ball" in 6th form but the boys just wore any dark suit.

BogRollBOGOF · 16/09/2025 21:56

I'm around double his age, been to two universities (including a "red brick") but never been to a "black tie event".

School proms hadn't caught on, my student union didn't do a graduation ball in my year due to finance issues and my post-graduate course didn't do a graduation or ball for my course. It's not something that I've needed to go to in my line of work, and DH's aren't open to partners.

I'm aware that I would need to wear an evening dress, but would need to check the finer details of what would be expected.

WellMaybeYouShouldntBeLivingHeeeeeeee · 16/09/2025 21:31

There is something a little bit Alan Partridge about being surprised that a young person doesn’t know what a ‘DJ’ is

hadjustaboutenough · 16/09/2025 21:24

I wouldn't know what 'black tie' means, precisely, without looking it up. Frankly, that type of thing is meaningless to a lot of people. Just an arbitrary set of rules that have little bearing on your life unless you move in circles where they are thought to matter.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone of any age to not have had to learn silly dress codes. What's the problem?

stayathomer · 16/09/2025 21:23

Needmorelego

Same here, thought the op was asking if he needed someone to spin some discs!!

SeaAndStars · 16/09/2025 21:23

Do people who live in a posh area refer to it as a posh area?

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 16/09/2025 21:21

I'm early 40s and have never been to a black tie event. I wouldn't be that surprised at a 22 year old not knowing much about the concept. Presumably you grew up in the kind of environment where black tie events were frequent, while he didn't.

FlatErica · 16/09/2025 21:20

I’ve never been to a black tie event. I’m 58, well-educated, good job, etc. I don’t think I’m unusual.

HardworkSendHelp · 16/09/2025 21:19

Just asked my son what he thought he would have to wear to a black tie event. He thought it meant you were going to a funeral and had to wear a black tie. He is 15. 🤣

Pistachiocake · 16/09/2025 21:14

When someone talked about a wedding being black tie about a decade ago, most of my friends (some are well-qualified professionals) thought of a literal black tie with an ordinary suit. Some older people I know say you're posh if you use the term, and common if you say DJ (they are joking).
Until quite recently, we didn't have proms etc here, and I doubt most working class people would have known the term-the only reason I did is I read a lot,

TheNightingalesStarling · 16/09/2025 21:13

Did he have a school Prom when he left? I thought that was pretty standard across schools now...

Dinner Jacket is a bit of an outdated term now, its usually "Tux".

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 16/09/2025 21:12

Is “DJ” a common abbreviation for dinner jacket? Because it’s stupid.

Flakey99 · 16/09/2025 21:10

I don’t think it’s that unusual not to be interested in or aware of these things.

I don’t do dressing up (ordinary high street summer dress for my own wedding), and I don’t think my DS would have a clue either as he’s not into socialising in large groups. Didn’t attend the school debs. 🤷🏻‍♀️

DappledThings · 16/09/2025 21:10

Andonemorething25 · 16/09/2025 21:05

Ok slightly reassured that it might not be so obvious these days.

Why do you need reassurance on this? It's not a life skill or useful general knowledge he is missing. It's an unimportant outfit he might want to wear once in a blue moon. It's not something lacking in him to know about pretentious dress codes.

SunriseOver · 16/09/2025 21:09

It's purely lack of information. You don't know things you've never encountered/ heard of.

I grew up in that teeny tiny rural world of young farmers and hunt balls and rugby clubs young men who knew what black tie was and called girls totty - some of the least pleasant, most entitled, sexist, arrogant young people I've ever known. I'd be glad your son mixes with nerds (as you said he's nerdy) instead.

FlorenceAgainstTheMachine · 16/09/2025 21:09

Edenmum2 · 16/09/2025 21:06

I’ve never heard DJ in this context, and I grew up in a posh bit of the SE also.

Tbh it sounds like something David Brent would say.

This. OP just sounds like a bit of a snob.

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