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Movingonfeelssad · 16/09/2025 12:56

Hey,
just came to the realization that private school for my child will not happen. Local State is good, cannot complain really, he will be fine, but will always wonder what doors private would have opened. We can afford it, mainly because of my income and this created so much pain in my husband that I decided to let it go. As a self made person from a very underprivileged background, it took so much grit and determination to get to where I am right now financially and I find it slightly challenging not to aim for the best for my child. But the value for money makes no sense with today’s fees and increasing costs, lifestyle creep etc…
what is the point of being successful as a professional if I need to hide it all the time? And before you say, yes my husband is very supportive of me otherwise…

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TheaBrandt1 · 18/09/2025 06:57

I think it’s a shame your Dh is so narrow minded and class obsessed.

Dd2 is at a decent state school but her closest friends are at the local private / public schools and they are lovely kids none of them give two hoots about social status. Her best friends parents are a global elite wealth level yes the disparity is slightly cringe but they are very welcoming and kind to dd.

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 22:54

myspareusername · 17/09/2025 21:36

@Movingonfeelssad
Are you aiming for one of the Clarendon schools?

There are soooooo many other very good private schools.

I know quite a few men who went to Eton and quite a few families who have sons there now. They very much have a 'type' that thrive there, as do the other Clarendon schools. They are also exceptionally hard to get into academically, aside from the finances. How old is your DC?

Honestly, I think you have a very skewed view of private education and need to think more broadly and holistically about the best fit for your DC

Completely agree with this. Education is not just a means to a financial/career end and there are no guarantees of what YOUR child will take from it.

The circles you move in are skewing your notion of what is “must have” and you’d be wise to take a longer view, start your child in state and really explore other good private options alongside state as your child grows. I am privately educated (my children are in state) and I had to google “Clarendon schools” despite growing up with friends at both St Pauls and Westminster, as I had never heard this term before! not surprised your husband finds it off putting (although he still needs to remove that chip). The most awful couple I’ve ever had dealings with happen to also have a child at Eton. They bought a new Porsche so as not to “let the side down” when picking him up, and are despicable people. People who have real class are more likely to be driving some old Volvo, because they don’t fear the judgement of others in the same way (and have actual manners!)

Your child will be best served by you and your husband making decisions that are right for them and for your family and not being too blinded by the way the ultra rich perceive success and education - ie as something which can be bought rather than nurtured (obviously generalization).

There are loads of great London day schools, especially at secondary. Focus on giving your child opportunities early in life to explore their interests and that will help steer you - dance, art, music, drama, sports, languages are all as important in creating a healthy person as more academic subjects. Having outlets for these interests is a huge privilege in itself, as is having parents who will support this. Even this may mean putting yourselves in positions you’re not always comfortable with (there have been some good threads on this on MN), but focus on the journey. There are curve balls coming your way, as that is life… arm your child to deal with them and be prepared to flex yourselves. Just having the option open to you is an incredible privilege and one I certainly wish I had (watching my 6 year old being taught to count to 20, which he has been able to do since he was 2 is really painful). But a love of learning and a belief in its importance for its own sake is also a great and lifelong gift - if you can encourage that you’ll already be doing better than many ‘Clarendon’ parents!

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 22:46

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:55

Not Eton specifically, but the thought process was exactly that if you don’t get on the right track, the chances are minimal. And deciding for state was kind of missing the boat unless the child is exceptional. It is not lost on us that friends and acquaintances in the very well paid professions (ie £300k basic, 6 -7 figures bonuses) consider these schools a must for their children, leading to the very few universities their employers would recruit from. As mentioned, we visited all schools in our area and the other privates were not more impressive than the local state one

I think OP it would pay to dig a little around these assumptions that certain schools lead to certain universities which lead to certain jobs.

There have been significant inroads on this in recent years.

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 22:32

@CallMeMessy Are you going to answer my question?

myspareusername · 17/09/2025 22:17

@Movingonfeelssad how old is your DC?

Why not go to a state primary?

That's what a lot of people do around here, then some carry on in state, some go to grammar and some to private for secondary

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 22:07

Or don’t. It’s really a nothing ‘problem’.

Swanlady · 17/09/2025 22:07

Hi, I have 3 birth children who went to mainstream school and did absolutely fine. All went on to do A/levels and degrees and now have fab careers and earning good money with their own homes, cars etc. I also currently have 2 foster children in a good private school and got to say, apart from getting more communication from the school (they phone often with updates and progress reports), the sporting opportunities, all the extra curriculum stuff and the school trips (that are brilliant, but VERY expensive) educationally, i don't see that much difference. School concerts and parents evenings etc are ultra "posh" with wine and nibbles but stuff like that isn't important. I think if a kid is bright and had enough support they will do well anywhere, but if not they will struggle. I would save your money if you know mainstream is good and save the money for private tutoring later to up their grades a notch or two if needed.

Zigazigarrr · 17/09/2025 22:05

Why are you still fussing? Just do it if you want to do it?

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 22:04

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 20:28

short answer is no. And I am conscious that single children are more common in private than state …

93 % of ALL children are in state school. 7% in private. There are MORE only kids in state schools because there are FAR more children - only or not- in state school.

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:55

myspareusername · 17/09/2025 21:36

@Movingonfeelssad
Are you aiming for one of the Clarendon schools?

There are soooooo many other very good private schools.

I know quite a few men who went to Eton and quite a few families who have sons there now. They very much have a 'type' that thrive there, as do the other Clarendon schools. They are also exceptionally hard to get into academically, aside from the finances. How old is your DC?

Honestly, I think you have a very skewed view of private education and need to think more broadly and holistically about the best fit for your DC

Not Eton specifically, but the thought process was exactly that if you don’t get on the right track, the chances are minimal. And deciding for state was kind of missing the boat unless the child is exceptional. It is not lost on us that friends and acquaintances in the very well paid professions (ie £300k basic, 6 -7 figures bonuses) consider these schools a must for their children, leading to the very few universities their employers would recruit from. As mentioned, we visited all schools in our area and the other privates were not more impressive than the local state one

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myspareusername · 17/09/2025 21:36

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:01

Thank you for the message, grateful for the thorough explanation. We visited both schools extensively and the private one sends more than half to Clarendon schools. The families we have seen at the networking functions are mainly investment bankers / city lawyers and the odd business owners. Some international families, mainly Chinese. we observed this and formed some impressions. I think his feelings are valid but he has not been super forthcoming about them and I wanted to be tactful

@Movingonfeelssad
Are you aiming for one of the Clarendon schools?

There are soooooo many other very good private schools.

I know quite a few men who went to Eton and quite a few families who have sons there now. They very much have a 'type' that thrive there, as do the other Clarendon schools. They are also exceptionally hard to get into academically, aside from the finances. How old is your DC?

Honestly, I think you have a very skewed view of private education and need to think more broadly and holistically about the best fit for your DC

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:01

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 20:37

Haven’t rtft but have read all OP posts. Don’t really know where to start with this the thinking appears so confused…

If you want to give your child the right school and best opportunities for them, you will need to look at all kids of schools to determine what that is. You don’t say how old your child is, but this is not a ‘one and done’ decision - there are entry points to private at various times and you can always see how you get on, and indeed move in either direction depending on circumstances.

I don’t feel it is helpful to look at education as a purely input/output situation (the ‘value add’) you keep speaking of. You don’t know what that might look like for your child, so ant this point if is partly unknowable and, as you have identified, much is intangible. Some of it is also just that a lot of the children you’ve met at these schools experience privilege in many areas of their lives, it is not just because they are at private school.

There seems to be an aspiration about the “elite” and a comparison that other privates are just like state with fees. To some extent this might be true but be careful not to confuse traits that can quickly become arrogance/entitlement with an excellent education. You don’t say where you are but eg. there are top London day schools which I would say are educationally superior to places like eton/harrow in terms of producing well-rounded pupils. Also, if your son is not yet at school you have no idea of the weight the state system in many areas is currently dealing with and the impact of long term chronic underfunding not just in education but also in health etc. CAHMS waitlists here are 40 months at the moment and this impacts children, families and schools. What you perceive as “just like state school” may in fact be “just like you’d like state school to be - but it often can’t be that right now”.

More importantly than any of this is that the ‘grief’ you feel doesn’t appear to be about education per se - as someone who has built their own success I imagine you would be able to navigate a change of school at 7/11/13/16. I suggest it is far more about the route feeling closed off entirely due to your husband’s attitude. And this is something I think you’re struggling with and using ‘value add’ to avoid confronting it. First, what a prejudiced attitude he has to assume all parents at private schools are arrogant, entitled, snobbish etc etc. I mean, pick your school (and some doubtless will be) but is that what you find at work? Are all your successful colleagues (those you seek to admire in terms of confidence etc) this way? If anyone suggested all parents at state schools were any particular way they would/should be savaged. As a parent it is part of your job not to let your insecurities impact your children’s attitudes and opportunities. Is your child not to play at a someone’s house because it is bigger than yours? Or go somewhere with them because they have a fancier car?

Your husband’s fears are understandable, but he needs to deal with them himself. He will meet people he doesn’t like in all kinds of places - as well as those he does. If he feels emasculated by your success perhaps he should have considered that a while ago… I daresay there are other elements of your success he quite enjoys?!

importantly, you don’t have to allow his feelings on this to rule ywhat should be joint decisions in your child’s interests. That doesn’t mean it has to be a hill to die on either. But it is this which I would raise and monitor, with a view to agreeing a compromise (eg. that you will keep things under review and both be open to a change of tack). Being in a relationship where you don’t feel able to really see things from each others’ perspectives, or where you feel your child’s interests aren’t fundamental is indeed very upsetting and a loss.

As a cautionary tale… I know someone who went to a comp. After leaving, and initially going off to a low rung uni which he did not enjoy, he decided to apply to Oxford off his own bat. He got in and saved his acceptance letter to share with his parents on Christmas Day. His dad’s response? “Oh you’re all fancy now are you, and don’t want anything to do with the likes of us?”
That was over 30 years ago and his dad hasn’t seen his granddaughter in 8 years (not just because of that, but it sets the tone…)

Sorry this is so long, but can I suggest your husband needs to work on himself and try not to let his hang-ups disadvantage his child both in general terms and on this issue in particular? He’s not much of a man if he can’t see that this is his problem - not yours and certainly not his child’s. Don’t make it yours - you shouldn’t feel you just cave wholesale to his feelings.

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Thank you for the message, grateful for the thorough explanation. We visited both schools extensively and the private one sends more than half to Clarendon schools. The families we have seen at the networking functions are mainly investment bankers / city lawyers and the odd business owners. Some international families, mainly Chinese. we observed this and formed some impressions. I think his feelings are valid but he has not been super forthcoming about them and I wanted to be tactful

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Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 20:55

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 20:37

Haven’t rtft but have read all OP posts. Don’t really know where to start with this the thinking appears so confused…

If you want to give your child the right school and best opportunities for them, you will need to look at all kids of schools to determine what that is. You don’t say how old your child is, but this is not a ‘one and done’ decision - there are entry points to private at various times and you can always see how you get on, and indeed move in either direction depending on circumstances.

I don’t feel it is helpful to look at education as a purely input/output situation (the ‘value add’) you keep speaking of. You don’t know what that might look like for your child, so ant this point if is partly unknowable and, as you have identified, much is intangible. Some of it is also just that a lot of the children you’ve met at these schools experience privilege in many areas of their lives, it is not just because they are at private school.

There seems to be an aspiration about the “elite” and a comparison that other privates are just like state with fees. To some extent this might be true but be careful not to confuse traits that can quickly become arrogance/entitlement with an excellent education. You don’t say where you are but eg. there are top London day schools which I would say are educationally superior to places like eton/harrow in terms of producing well-rounded pupils. Also, if your son is not yet at school you have no idea of the weight the state system in many areas is currently dealing with and the impact of long term chronic underfunding not just in education but also in health etc. CAHMS waitlists here are 40 months at the moment and this impacts children, families and schools. What you perceive as “just like state school” may in fact be “just like you’d like state school to be - but it often can’t be that right now”.

More importantly than any of this is that the ‘grief’ you feel doesn’t appear to be about education per se - as someone who has built their own success I imagine you would be able to navigate a change of school at 7/11/13/16. I suggest it is far more about the route feeling closed off entirely due to your husband’s attitude. And this is something I think you’re struggling with and using ‘value add’ to avoid confronting it. First, what a prejudiced attitude he has to assume all parents at private schools are arrogant, entitled, snobbish etc etc. I mean, pick your school (and some doubtless will be) but is that what you find at work? Are all your successful colleagues (those you seek to admire in terms of confidence etc) this way? If anyone suggested all parents at state schools were any particular way they would/should be savaged. As a parent it is part of your job not to let your insecurities impact your children’s attitudes and opportunities. Is your child not to play at a someone’s house because it is bigger than yours? Or go somewhere with them because they have a fancier car?

Your husband’s fears are understandable, but he needs to deal with them himself. He will meet people he doesn’t like in all kinds of places - as well as those he does. If he feels emasculated by your success perhaps he should have considered that a while ago… I daresay there are other elements of your success he quite enjoys?!

importantly, you don’t have to allow his feelings on this to rule ywhat should be joint decisions in your child’s interests. That doesn’t mean it has to be a hill to die on either. But it is this which I would raise and monitor, with a view to agreeing a compromise (eg. that you will keep things under review and both be open to a change of tack). Being in a relationship where you don’t feel able to really see things from each others’ perspectives, or where you feel your child’s interests aren’t fundamental is indeed very upsetting and a loss.

As a cautionary tale… I know someone who went to a comp. After leaving, and initially going off to a low rung uni which he did not enjoy, he decided to apply to Oxford off his own bat. He got in and saved his acceptance letter to share with his parents on Christmas Day. His dad’s response? “Oh you’re all fancy now are you, and don’t want anything to do with the likes of us?”
That was over 30 years ago and his dad hasn’t seen his granddaughter in 8 years (not just because of that, but it sets the tone…)

Sorry this is so long, but can I suggest your husband needs to work on himself and try not to let his hang-ups disadvantage his child both in general terms and on this issue in particular? He’s not much of a man if he can’t see that this is his problem - not yours and certainly not his child’s. Don’t make it yours - you shouldn’t feel you just cave wholesale to his feelings.

Edited

Lots of good advice in this post op.

I think you are treating all private schools as homogonous entities, when they really are not.

Sorry if I have skimmed the thread and missed this, but have you visited some possible schools to see what it is you feel they will be offering? And if so, and once you have that clear, have you taken DH to see what he feels about those advantages?

Some schools will indeed have plenty of the types he fears. But many, many private schools have some very ordinary folk making a real effort to give their dc an education they feel suits them. Equally, many privately-educated parents have decided the local state school actually offers their child more. And I have even known the same set of parents to choose state for one child and private for the other, because not all dc and all schools are alike.

I get the feeling you are viewing it as more of a box-tick: yup, private education, done.

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 20:49

Not one of the boarders would chose it for their child, several are open about the long lasting negative impact it’s had on them..

@CallMeMessy If this is the case, how do any boarding schools keep going - indeed, if they are that damaging why haven’t they all been closed down - and why are pupils who go to them considered ‘privileged’?

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 20:37

Haven’t rtft but have read all OP posts. Don’t really know where to start with this the thinking appears so confused…

If you want to give your child the right school and best opportunities for them, you will need to look at all kids of schools to determine what that is. You don’t say how old your child is, but this is not a ‘one and done’ decision - there are entry points to private at various times and you can always see how you get on, and indeed move in either direction depending on circumstances.

I don’t feel it is helpful to look at education as a purely input/output situation (the ‘value add’) you keep speaking of. You don’t know what that might look like for your child, so ant this point if is partly unknowable and, as you have identified, much is intangible. Some of it is also just that a lot of the children you’ve met at these schools experience privilege in many areas of their lives, it is not just because they are at private school.

There seems to be an aspiration about the “elite” and a comparison that other privates are just like state with fees. To some extent this might be true but be careful not to confuse traits that can quickly become arrogance/entitlement with an excellent education. You don’t say where you are but eg. there are top London day schools which I would say are educationally superior to places like eton/harrow in terms of producing well-rounded pupils. Also, if your son is not yet at school you have no idea of the weight the state system in many areas is currently dealing with and the impact of long term chronic underfunding not just in education but also in health etc. CAHMS waitlists here are 40 months at the moment and this impacts children, families and schools. What you perceive as “just like state school” may in fact be “just like you’d like state school to be - but it often can’t be that right now”.

More importantly than any of this is that the ‘grief’ you feel doesn’t appear to be about education per se - as someone who has built their own success I imagine you would be able to navigate a change of school at 7/11/13/16. I suggest it is far more about the route feeling closed off entirely due to your husband’s attitude. And this is something I think you’re struggling with and using ‘value add’ to avoid confronting it. First, what a prejudiced attitude he has to assume all parents at private schools are arrogant, entitled, snobbish etc etc. I mean, pick your school (and some doubtless will be) but is that what you find at work? Are all your successful colleagues (those you seek to admire in terms of confidence etc) this way? If anyone suggested all parents at state schools were any particular way they would/should be savaged. As a parent it is part of your job not to let your insecurities impact your children’s attitudes and opportunities. Is your child not to play at a someone’s house because it is bigger than yours? Or go somewhere with them because they have a fancier car?

Your husband’s fears are understandable, but he needs to deal with them himself. He will meet people he doesn’t like in all kinds of places - as well as those he does. If he feels emasculated by your success perhaps he should have considered that a while ago… I daresay there are other elements of your success he quite enjoys?!

importantly, you don’t have to allow his feelings on this to rule ywhat should be joint decisions in your child’s interests. That doesn’t mean it has to be a hill to die on either. But it is this which I would raise and monitor, with a view to agreeing a compromise (eg. that you will keep things under review and both be open to a change of tack). Being in a relationship where you don’t feel able to really see things from each others’ perspectives, or where you feel your child’s interests aren’t fundamental is indeed very upsetting and a loss.

As a cautionary tale… I know someone who went to a comp. After leaving, and initially going off to a low rung uni which he did not enjoy, he decided to apply to Oxford off his own bat. He got in and saved his acceptance letter to share with his parents on Christmas Day. His dad’s response? “Oh you’re all fancy now are you, and don’t want anything to do with the likes of us?”
That was over 30 years ago and his dad hasn’t seen his granddaughter in 8 years (not just because of that, but it sets the tone…)

Sorry this is so long, but can I suggest your husband needs to work on himself and try not to let his hang-ups disadvantage his child both in general terms and on this issue in particular? He’s not much of a man if he can’t see that this is his problem - not yours and certainly not his child’s. Don’t make it yours - you shouldn’t feel you just cave wholesale to his feelings.

Feelinguselesssigh · 17/09/2025 20:30

If you have the money, I cannot see why your DH gets to trump your choice.

just tell him that you’ll do all the parents evening stuff. And that empty vessels make the most noise.

and not to cut his nose off to spite his face.

and maybe just get on and do it anyway if your DH is a bit ‘hand off’

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 20:28

SamPoodle123 · 17/09/2025 18:50

Do you plan on having more kids? We decided to go private for secondary and this year our second child started. It is a lot of money. I think maybe men feel the financial pressures more then women, even if the woman is working as well.

Have you thought of state first then private? It is possible to get into top private secondary schools from state. Both my dc are in top academic schools and both were in state primary.

short answer is no. And I am conscious that single children are more common in private than state …

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Muddlings · 17/09/2025 20:23

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:58

I genuinely struggle to understand why ordinary people who couldn’t afford fees even if they wanted to are supposed to feel sorry that well off people now also can’t afford fees.
You can’t afford something, then don’t buy/use/ have it . Why should anyone else care?

For me, I care because it narrows the pool of people with that choice even further. I don’t think it’s good to keep widening the gap. I also care that the pool of people trying to survive without foodbanks has narrowed. I don’t need a foodbank and I can’t afford private school.

PithyTaupeWriter · 17/09/2025 19:59

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 14:08

correct and if the case for “best for our child” was more tangible, he would be going for it enthusiastically. Also because technically he could afford it even without me, it would just leave him with less discretionary spend once all the investments/pension contributions are taken care of 😞

YABVU to pander to your pathetic, brittle ego husband. If you think private school is best for your child and you can afford it, with or without him, then you should not be pandering to him. Absolutely ridiculous.

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:58

Countryspaniel · 17/09/2025 18:46

The saddest thing is that Labour who are supposed to be be about supporting people have ensured that private achools become more elite and less accessible for the socially mobile and education focused aspirational families because they added 20% to the fees to cut out the people qho might have just about afforded it.

I genuinely struggle to understand why ordinary people who couldn’t afford fees even if they wanted to are supposed to feel sorry that well off people now also can’t afford fees.
You can’t afford something, then don’t buy/use/ have it . Why should anyone else care?

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:56

HeWhoMustNotBeNamed · 17/09/2025 13:58

You 'buy' the private school effect by putting your child in a toxic and judgemental environment where they have to build a shield of confidence around themselves so that the other children don't have anything to bully them for.

My husband and his brother are currently going through a lot of counselling to try and get over the trauma that private school caused for them (this was boarding school but it won't be much different as a day student)

State education is often better than private anyway

I work with a LOT of privately educated colleagues. Not one of the boarders would chose it for their child, several are open about the long lasting negative impact it’s had on them.. on the surface they are accomplished, confident people but struggle with the effects of bullying, sense of abandonment, struggle to express emotion, and much more.

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 19:13

Comedycook · 17/09/2025 18:35

This is true. My DD is at a state secondary and I was very struck by how middle class her group of friends are. They are definitely from the kind of families who sent their kids to private schools in the 80/90s.

Definitely true.

blacksax · 17/09/2025 19:07

Manthide · 17/09/2025 15:25

Private school does seem to give dc a lot of confidence. All 4 of mine went private for secondary and are good at putting themselves across. Dd3, my youngest, is in y13, head of house, head of CCF, just got 100% in her grade 8 LAMDA and is about to sit her grade 8 piano. She has done her d of e gold, has completed all her ballet grades, competes in athletics and fences a few times a week. We are on UC, she has a full bursary and she has ADHD.
She'd probably have been fine at our local state school though.

Really? What grade ballet is she?