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Private school grief

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Movingonfeelssad · 16/09/2025 12:56

Hey,
just came to the realization that private school for my child will not happen. Local State is good, cannot complain really, he will be fine, but will always wonder what doors private would have opened. We can afford it, mainly because of my income and this created so much pain in my husband that I decided to let it go. As a self made person from a very underprivileged background, it took so much grit and determination to get to where I am right now financially and I find it slightly challenging not to aim for the best for my child. But the value for money makes no sense with today’s fees and increasing costs, lifestyle creep etc…
what is the point of being successful as a professional if I need to hide it all the time? And before you say, yes my husband is very supportive of me otherwise…

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CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 10:17

Friend has pulled her kid from private school to state after 6 years ( money not an issue, they’re minted) and the DC are so much happier being in a bigger school, more diverse population and gone from being quite a shy kid with a few friends to having a big social circle, joining school sport team and taking part in the schools shows etc.
just shows being in a smaller pool where everyone is from a a similar background doesn’t guarantee choice or satisfaction or a great experience

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/09/2025 10:02

DaisyChain505 · 18/09/2025 08:05

You keep focusing on what job your child could end up in and how rich they could be. Have you ever stopped to think about what will actually make them happy and content in life rather that their finances?

Yes, I find it astonishing that some parents look at their small human and think 'Must ensure she goes to a school that guarantees she'll get a job paying stacky millions' - rather than 'I really want my child to be happy, no matter what career or life she wants to lead when she's an adult'.

NomoneyNoprospects · 20/09/2025 08:25

Comedycook · 16/09/2025 12:59

If it helps I went to private school from the age of 4-18 and have achieved fuck all career wise...only ever done bog standard admin type jobs.

Likewise. I was also bloody miserable at school pretty much all the way through.

I wish my parents had sent me to state school and used that same money for university, so I now wouldn't be saddled with £50k of debt for my entire working life.

Would never ever say that to them ofc. But its 100% true.

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:23

Fees are the least of your worries, TBH. Friend put her child in a well known school and the extras of uniform, sports fees ( all those tennis courts but lessons are extra) extra curriculars, and the keeping up with the Joneses has brought her household budget to breaking point and she never has the money to do anything much otherwise Despite being a very big earner.
Her money her choice.

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 08:17

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:11

It is, but your assumption that children who go to normal schools don’t achieve that, or that private school children automatically do, it’s both out dated and insulting.

As are some of your assumptions/prejudices about independent schools and the people who use them

ScreentimeInTheMeantime · 20/09/2025 08:16

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:01

Thank you for the message, grateful for the thorough explanation. We visited both schools extensively and the private one sends more than half to Clarendon schools. The families we have seen at the networking functions are mainly investment bankers / city lawyers and the odd business owners. Some international families, mainly Chinese. we observed this and formed some impressions. I think his feelings are valid but he has not been super forthcoming about them and I wanted to be tactful

School fees put a big amount of stress on the household budgets of those who can only just afford it (what if one of you is made redundant?), because moving a child from private to state for financial reasons could feel horrible. He might feel that you will be super stretched, and that there will be a knock on effect on being able to go out for treats, holidays etc. I think those are valid concerns and not necessarily ego-y. I am not choosing our local private school for this reason - worried it’d be a huge financial commitment that could cause a lot of grief down the line.

He might also worry that your child won’t be able keep up with school mates on clothes, holidays, activities, size of house etc., which is probably a bit less rational and there will be other parents there who are the first in their families to send their children to private school, and other people who are prioritising school fees and so tightening the belt elsewhere.

Finally if he’s worried about the finances of it, he might be saying “well we wouldn’t fit in anyway” to sort of feel better and make the best of it?

I think you need to understand how much of his concerns are financial, and how much is rooted in some pre-conceptions he has about people who use private schools. Maybe he hasn’t got it all straight in his head yet.

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:11

Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:57

That’s a very aristocratic thought. Setting a child up for financial security is an important consideration for many and education is a mean to that end, like it or not

It is, but your assumption that children who go to normal schools don’t achieve that, or that private school children automatically do, it’s both out dated and insulting.

Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:57

Newbutoldfather · 18/09/2025 13:44

Seeing education as an end itself is very laudable, but also a luxury belief.

Poor people very rarely see it that way.

That’s a very aristocratic thought. Setting a child up for financial security is an important consideration for many and education is a mean to that end, like it or not

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Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:55

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 22:46

I think OP it would pay to dig a little around these assumptions that certain schools lead to certain universities which lead to certain jobs.

There have been significant inroads on this in recent years.

I appreciate it and to be honest I only see it as tokens of diversity. The amount of biased recruitment policies or common practices I have seen directly or heard from friends working from desirable employers (ie companies who pay well, offer extensive opportunities for development and career progression, including significant variable compensation) is not small…class, gender, racial diversity…?

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pinkandgreenflower · 19/09/2025 15:36

@CallMeMessy - a few things here. First, many, many private schools are VERY academically selective. Yes, it's likely the majority of parents will pay full fees, many of the best private schools don't want finances to be prohibitive - hence bursary schemes. My kids' school has about 100 kids on bursaries. So to say 'money is more important than academics' isn't quite right.

Second, while I agree that good education should be available to all, putting VAT on fees isn't really 'closing a tax break'. Private school parents are already taxed - they then pay the fees out of their net incomes. So effectively, we are now being taxed twice....while also not using a system we pay tax for!

As @twistyizzy says, we are now the only country in the world that taxes education. In other countries, if you are not using the state education system, you are actually credited by the government! Also agree that the assisted place scheme was brilliant and widened access.

CatkinToadflax · 19/09/2025 15:20

DS1 left school with two GCSEs. Neither were in core subjects. He was privately educated for 3 years while the state school system was unable to give him a place. I don’t regret for a second that we spent that money so that he was safe and educated in the years between his disastrous state infant school experience and the LA agreeing several years later to place him in a special school. Buying privilege? Not in his case, no. Buying a basic education? Yes - but we shouldn’t actually have had to.

38thparallel · 19/09/2025 15:02

My hope is that the more the educated
middle classes are forced to use state provision, the more they might start advocating for a better system rather than just side stepping the issue by paying their way out of the problem.

Are you sure about this? Some of these middle classes who are forced to use state provision for their children may have gone to private school and so will not only be thick, entitled and poorly educated, but also traumatised.
Are these really the people you want advocating for state schools?

twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 14:49

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:43

Trickle down economics? Give the rich more tax breaks, so they have more money, then they’ll spend it and the economy does better?
Doesn’t work though, does it? People with money hoard that money - fair enough, it’s their money.
Wealthy people don’t need more tax breaks, I don’t need more tax breaks. I’d prefer the tax I pay to go into good, very good universal education, we need an educated population. That’s what benefits the economy. Not tax breaks for the 1% or 10% etc.

These are some of the "wealthy" who use independent schools.

You are merely parroting slogans which are meaningless and based on bigoted prejudices about the type of people who use independent schools

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twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 14:47

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:43

Trickle down economics? Give the rich more tax breaks, so they have more money, then they’ll spend it and the economy does better?
Doesn’t work though, does it? People with money hoard that money - fair enough, it’s their money.
Wealthy people don’t need more tax breaks, I don’t need more tax breaks. I’d prefer the tax I pay to go into good, very good universal education, we need an educated population. That’s what benefits the economy. Not tax breaks for the 1% or 10% etc.

Again for the hard of understanding: a zero rating of VAT due to international agreement of the merit good of education for the population isn't, and has never been, a tax break.

Again, money from VAT isn't going to state schools.

Again, the fact you support the taxation on the education of children and SEND children says more about you.

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:43

Trickle down economics? Give the rich more tax breaks, so they have more money, then they’ll spend it and the economy does better?
Doesn’t work though, does it? People with money hoard that money - fair enough, it’s their money.
Wealthy people don’t need more tax breaks, I don’t need more tax breaks. I’d prefer the tax I pay to go into good, very good universal education, we need an educated population. That’s what benefits the economy. Not tax breaks for the 1% or 10% etc.

twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 14:24

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 13:53

It’s less about the MCs and more about the people who were in charges for all those years - privately educated toffs who didn’t give a damn about anyone other than their own ‘class’.
Good to see things changing, tax breaks going etc, next we need more educated diverse people in charge for a while, really start shaking things up a bit.

Do you know what would improve access? Bring back the Assisted Places scheme and do what other countries do ie give tax relief to parents who use independent schools. That would widen access and enable more DC to attend independent schools especially those on low incomes.

It was Labour who scrapped Assisted Places and made UK only country in the world to tax the education of children. The fact you think it's a positive step to tax children's education says a lot about you.

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:19

OP - I take the money you were going to waste on fees and put it away for your DC, that money will really help them out in life as a young adult for housing, experiences, travel, or start off in a lower paying career that they might love but couldn’t afford to get into and pay all their bills etc.

38thparallel · 19/09/2025 14:11

Good to see things changing, tax breaks going etc, next we need more educated diverse people in charge for a while, really start shaking things up a bit.

@CallMeMessy what form will ‘shaking things up a bit’ take? (Not holding my breath for an answer).

Buddingbudde · 19/09/2025 13:59

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 13:53

It’s less about the MCs and more about the people who were in charges for all those years - privately educated toffs who didn’t give a damn about anyone other than their own ‘class’.
Good to see things changing, tax breaks going etc, next we need more educated diverse people in charge for a while, really start shaking things up a bit.

In charge of educational policy? The issue with Scottish education (and Scottish education is in a truly terrible state) is that we have had too many ‘progressive’ , faddy policies, poorly thought through implemented blindly with no actual thinking as to whether they will work. If they hadn’t changed things around Scottish education would no doubt still be the best in the world.

twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 13:57

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 13:53

It’s less about the MCs and more about the people who were in charges for all those years - privately educated toffs who didn’t give a damn about anyone other than their own ‘class’.
Good to see things changing, tax breaks going etc, next we need more educated diverse people in charge for a while, really start shaking things up a bit.

What tax breaks? You mean the introduction of a new tax? The court told Labour to stop using tax break because it was a slogan, not fact.
You realise all VAT does is make independent schools MORE elitist though don't you? Because it is squeezing the MC out 🫣. So the gap just grows wider!
It's not about common sense policy though is it?

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 13:53

Frazzled83 · 19/09/2025 13:38

My hope is that the more the educated
middle classes are forced to use state provision, the more they might start advocating for a better system rather than just side stepping the issue by paying their way out of the problem.

It’s less about the MCs and more about the people who were in charges for all those years - privately educated toffs who didn’t give a damn about anyone other than their own ‘class’.
Good to see things changing, tax breaks going etc, next we need more educated diverse people in charge for a while, really start shaking things up a bit.

twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 13:40

Frazzled83 · 19/09/2025 13:38

My hope is that the more the educated
middle classes are forced to use state provision, the more they might start advocating for a better system rather than just side stepping the issue by paying their way out of the problem.

Why can't the existing MC who use state schools do this? There are far more MC using state than private ie 18 million parents use state Vs 1 million using independent. Why are those 1 million any more powerful than 18 million?

Frazzled83 · 19/09/2025 13:38

Countryspaniel · 17/09/2025 18:46

The saddest thing is that Labour who are supposed to be be about supporting people have ensured that private achools become more elite and less accessible for the socially mobile and education focused aspirational families because they added 20% to the fees to cut out the people qho might have just about afforded it.

My hope is that the more the educated
middle classes are forced to use state provision, the more they might start advocating for a better system rather than just side stepping the issue by paying their way out of the problem.

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 11:40

Flatus · 19/09/2025 09:05

I'd be pissed too. But I always thought private secondaries had 11+s to do? Or 13+s?

No they don’t. ££££ is more important. She also happens to be one of the brightest people I know but that doesn’t necessarily translate into grades if you don’t want to work in school.

38thparallel · 19/09/2025 09:33

So then how can it be claimed she's had any "privilege" or "advantage" due to her education? How has it given her an unfair advantage over a state school peer?

@twistyizzy I have asked Callmemessy and several others to explain this but no answers have been forthcoming.
Odd, because the posters I have questioned aren’t usually slow to reply to or challenge posts they disagree with.