To think this is fraud and do I say something or stay out of it?

The level of acceptable of low level tax crime makes my blood boil, just like the level of benefit fraud. I posted on a recent benefit thread that people who commit tax evasion tend not to post about it, but clearly I was wrong - they are all here!

I own a company, I do quite a bit of Botox (not cosmetic) that I don’t charge for when people are really in need, including for one of my employees.

never thought people would assume I was cooking the books. The product is paid for by the company, but I don’t invoice. I’ve spoken with hmrc about it, there are no issues.

Not unusual. Quite often happens when the business owner is distracted by a crisis such as a serious illness and leaves a trusted employee to oversee finances.

do i stay out of it or say something (who do i even report to!!)

A more pertinent question than “Who?” is “Why?”. Why make this your business?

Too right. Last time I tried to rob a bank, I chatted about the plan in the pub with a few friends, one of them had the audacity to inform the police, and we got arrested. We should all just let everyone get on which any crime they like, like in "The Purge".

I read it as the family member gets their employees to do the work, pays them but doesn't charge the friend. I'm no expert but I would say it was quite legitimate. A friend of mine volunteers at a local animal rescue and a local building company does free work for them. For small jobs some of their workers give their time free as well.
I think you should probably keep your sticky beak well out of it 😬

Yes good point. If you are planning to steal / commit fraud I agree probably best to keep quiet about it.

She’s very lucky and you are obviously rather envious, but it’s not fraud!!

It could be corporate fraud but it could just be unethical. It is extremely common.

What is likely happening is that the contractor does free stuff for the property director of a company in order to be awarded the corporate contract.

I’ve seen this happen time and time again. I’ve never met a property director that doesn’t have a perfect, fully extended house!

gosh, this is the classic example why you never tell anyone what you are up to. jealous ppl like the op stick their nose in and fuck it up.

Probably cause they're all at it.

You clearly don't want to answer the question.

The relative is probably the financial controller or office administrator.

So a presumably desperate mother's behaviour is appalling but an employee embezzling company funds and committing tax fraud is apparently okay and the OP is just jealous!

MN can be really odd!

If it's his business, or at least he is answerable for the finances, then it's up to her relative. If it is a publicly owned or international company then I would call it fraudulent, but frankly, if a company doesn't put strict controls in place they WILL get ripped off. Most small building companies do stuff for relatives free or at mate's rates.

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Except potential tax fraud and also technically untaxed benefits in kind for friend if they are getting work for free in connection with employment.

I'm very confused about why so many people think this is ok

I minded my own business, wish I hadn't.
A house was being built near me during covid by a reputable company. The site manager was giving so much building material away, residents were collecting in wheelbarrows.

I couldn't imagine what all the timber was being used for, then saw one neighbour's small back garden and it looked like a giant Jenga game with all the raised beds.
After covid, the company went bust, obviously losing many people their jobs.
That sort of behaviour can bring an already teetering company down. Bearing in mind the delays in obtaining building material during covid and soaring costs.

When I read of the company going under, I wish I'd reported the manager at the time. As he was that dishonest, what else was he up too.

They could be guilty of receiving if the goods or services are stolen from the company and they know about it.

You need to read the OP's update. This isn't a nice local plumber helping out poor pensioners for free situation.

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The 1st thread I ever read on here was a woman who felt bad about getting caught shoplifting baby formula. Everyone ripped her to shreds. You just made me remember that.

I honestly couldn’t get worked up over this. I’d think “jammy cow!” And that’s about it.

Were you a Prefect at school by any chance? 😜

It doesn't matter as the company will still be reducing their tax bill, which means that tax payers are effectively funding the friend's house improvements.

@doitellthem and @Verywindyday

Confused here - so are you saying that company A are being ripped off by company B? But surely Co A know what they are paying for and surely any tax incentive is far less than the bill? So it is hardly a win for them. Co B are merely being paid for works done, and so long as their costs are covered what does it matter who pays?

The ‘friend’ - in what way are they guilty of anything?

I don’t get it.