To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

Fascinating how people on here act as if men from the white working class are from a 'gammon' culture so alien it defies understanding but at the same time regard Muslim men from regressive countries as 'just human beings like you or I'.

Weak.

Muslims have different cultures. Muslim is not a culture.
Just pointing that out. DH is always annoyed when everyone assumes he is the same as someone from another muslim countries

Also ‘alien culture’ - what does this even mean? Are they from a different planet or possibly just human beings like you or I? If they’re Muslim, that’s not an alien culture to us here!

Not when any injustice, if it exists(speaking generally), is inflated way beyond its actual size in order to effect an agenda.

I see Americanisms creeping in like undocumented …. We don’t call people who have arrived by boat undocumented. We call them asylum seekers or possibly if you follow him with loads of names or Farage ‘illegal immigrants’ which is a lie because it is not illegal to seek asylum here even if there’s no legal route to do so.

It's not a binary choice. This is a lazy argument which preys on fears of the unknown bogeyman.

It's very much a misogynistic argument, there is a reason that most of the people on the far right activist Robinson and Musk of the nazi salutes piss up in London were white males.

There is a reason that on previous riots nearly 50% of those arrested had previous convictions for assault against women and children.

You may fear the bogeyman in the dark, that doesn't mean they are real.

Well I loved Cheese & Pineapple on sticks. We had lots of variety of food too. Born in ‘64 here.
Im not sure what this has to do with the thread as I haven’t read it all, but it’s a lighthearted distraction 😄

Anyway, on you go….

I'm not being original, I am just stating the facts. Robbing pensioners - you're repeating the daily mail narrative, 30% of people above 65yo have a total wealth of over a million. Do they really need the Winter fuel payment? Re Rwanda plan, it was never going to work and the amount of money spent on this stupid plan is abhorrent

the point about “processing “them” faster”, @llizzie, is that once processed and accepted, “they” no longer need to be housed in hotels, which costs a lot (as well as being awful for the refugees themselves - waiting months if not years cooped up in one room, without the right to work…) and is apparently a big problem for some. You’d think those that are angry about hotels would know that once processed, asylum seekers would be granted asylum if needed, which it usually is since they mostly come from Afghanistan, Iran etc. Obviously citizens without a claim like those from Albania would be sent back. Surely processing people is a good thing regardless of the outcome, living in hotels in the worse of all worlds for the taxpayer or the asylum seeker. Did people really think that processing applications meant something else than processing applications? The UK also has far fewer asylum seekers than most other countries; and when it was revealed a few months ago that Russia has deals with warlords in Lybia to facilitate sending refugees to Europe, no one looked interested...
So yes OP, I think there’s a lot of manipulation going on, where people’s fears are stoked, by actors like Bannon and other wealthy international fascists, malign foreign powers, and US tech companies after profits and Trump favours… Not helped, it saddens me very much to say, by spineless and a bit clueless liberal leaders like Starmer…

PMSL. Are you a very young teenager? Rationing ended in 1954.

Lots of us on here were alive in the 1950s/60s ourselves - it wasn’t our grandparents. We weren’t eating things like this “to survive” we were eating them because that was the fashion. My DM would have been most offended to hear that her cheese and pineapple on a stick was only being eaten because the alternative was starvation 🤣

@BloominNora are you seriously saying that just because we have our own home grown deviant males (of all colours by the way )who rape and assault our girls and women, we should therefore accept undocumented males into our communities from an alien culture who routinely, on a large scale, do the same, treating their own girls and women as property to be raped, assaulted, tortured or killed for daring to leave their home without being shrouded, or without a male relative chaperone (see Afghanistan). Have you read transcripts from their lawyers excusing these men because of their different cultures which mean they don't understand that we don't habitually rape and assault women in our cultures. Take your rose tinted glasses off, @BloominNora and you will see the grim truth. I have, which is why I attend these protests again these undocumented males in my community and will continue to stand up for girls and women's safety. You carry on and protect their rights to rape, assault and intimidate our citizens .

I think one of the things that the algorithms look at to decide what to show in your feed is the information in your "About" such as where you live, job, age etc. So, you could try reducing the amount of information you have in there. Also, it is worthwhile clearing the cache on the Facebook app every now and again. Facebook keep changing how to do this, so you'll just have to search the Web on how to do this.

I haven’t written my political opinions and thoughts on this thread other than to try and explain why it is, among the people I have spoken to, they would consider a reform vote! Telling 100’s of 1000’s of people they’re only doing so through ‘sheer gullibility’ is the entire opposite to being able to discuss!

@Ferrit6 There is no justification for allayship with groups who have an agenda that ultimately disenfranchises large swathes of the population.

So you don't think that large swathes of the population are being disenfranchised now?

So the Russian bot farms made people awake to an injustice? Isn't that the definition of woke and therefore a good thing?

There is no justification for allayship with groups who have an agenda that ultimately disenfranchises large swathes of the population.. there are many ways to voice discontent with politicians - we won’t have a better, safer, healthier or wealthier country because thugs and ignorant one agenda led groups on the right run the country -we will have an erosion of rights -safety and fear -remember after me they came for you! and women will be on that list as misogynists take power under the guise of looking out for our country and then decide women should be in the home being controlled by their men - it’s literally on the agenda by far right leaning politicians in the USA … this is how it starts - people get lazy read headlines and fill in the gaps - yet no one does the work to change poor laws and greed that is at the heart of the imbalances in the world that drive people to migrate and most people don’t speak up as our and other countries sell arms to make profit - yet wars and resettlement and lack of water and freedom sit at the heart of world issues - don’t vote right just stop being lazy and relying on others to make your world safe - until it isn’t for any of us

No it’s pretty much impossible, social media is almost brainwashing for some people.

Sex-based rights are a pressure point. Vast amounts of people may not have been aware of any issues around this, but now they are primarily due to aggressive bot activity on the key messaging around it, extensive network farming, and system algorithms.

"Let's blame the Tories" - how original !

As soon as Labour got hold of the reins they scrapped the Rwanda plan and set about robbing pensioners.
That made them about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool and it's just gone downhill from there.....

Perhaps, you could enlighten the rest of us?

I wish someone would come out and say exactly what they mean by 'far right' and 'far left'.

Far right of what? Far left of what? Those names given to people actually mean very little except to the person who is saying it.

They meant something in the last century. What do they mean today?

It used to be party politics. You agreed with a manifesto and voted for the party who presented it to the electorate. You disagreed with the others' policies and no doubt said what you didn't agree with. In Britain there are more than the two main parties. We cannot call any of them far right or far left. What we can do is criticise the way this government are acting.

They promised change. They also promised to process the immigrants which arrive at our shores without permission. People liked that. They thought Starmer had a way of removing them that the other government didn't know about, that perhaps he was more friendly with the civil servants who ran the problem.

Turns out his idea of processing them faster was to let them all in! His other ideas are equally soul destroying to the electorate and taxpayer.

When Starmer makes an announcement he is flagged each side by the union flag, yet people call him left wing. When there are celebrations and visiting heads of state, the union flag is flown everywhere. Everyone waves the flag of St. George when there is cause for celebration. They are called right wing.

Can't other words be found? Can't people go back to using the party names, labour and conservative, liberal, green, 'uncle tom cobley and all?'

Why dredge up words from history?

They are words used to aim at someone whose views differ from yours. In the extreme, they cause people like Charlie Kirk to be murdered for his views. Thereby lies the danger. Unless people stop aiming useless titles at people, conflict will continue and there will be more political killings.

In my darkest, most cynical, moments I feel we are being prepared for an absolute bloodbath gearing up to begin in the early 2030's.

The boats arriving in their dozens per day will seem like a distant dream when famine, war and disease begin sweeping the planet during climate chaos.

The British government will probably need to resort to machine gunning the seas around Britain.

They'll be needing to recruit some very patriotic hardcore followers in order to carry out extreme border control at some point.

Anyway, best not to dwell on those kinds of dystopian thoughts.

Kind of staggering wheeling out twenty year old insults like “Liebour” when in between we’ve had Boris Johnson as PM, the man who lied so much that his own friends said if he told them it was raining they’d go outside to check 😆🤣

I see Farage has already started laying the groundwork for his next set of scapegoats...

"I think one thing is certain, that children who have two stable parents have a better chance in life. But the most stable relationships, the one's that last the longest, tend to be between men and women. I do just happen to think there's an awful lot of kids in the country not getting the start at home they deserve." Farage - Reform party conference - 15.09.25

Tbh I thought he'd go after the disabled first but looks like it's single and LGBT parents who have the targets on their backs next.

Looking forward to mental gymnastics from the usual suspects trying to defend this one.