To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

It's not the only reason, but it's been exacerbated by several years of the Left deciding that everything it doesn't like, including reasonable mainstream views, is far right fascism. Now a lot of people are wondering what's terrible about being far right.

Oh I see, they weren’t radical enough. Did they not give out enough backhanders to their mates and bring the entire country to its knees financially, socially and culturally enough to satisfy you? The bootlicking that I see from the right for people who wouldn’t even spit on them if they were on fire is hilarious.

The only group of people who genuinely prospered under the last Tory government was the 1%. The rest of us are poorer: physically, culturally, emotionally and financially poorer.

We’re past that point.

You don’t actually want to see these people’s point of view, so people are just not engaging any more, they’re shutting down. It’s a shame, but the time of civil debate has passed. No one’s interested in trying.

To be fair, a bubble of semi-ignorance neatly sums up this government, and those who blindly vote Labour with an unwavering belief that they are right 😂

The left are calling anyone who disagrees with them ‘far right’ especially around immigration. People being told their very ordinary views are ‘far right’ will quite quickly start to think ‘well if it is far right to not want my culture destroyed then I will move to the right’. It is the left who are forcing people to the right with their rhetoric.

Yes, this. I'm so tired of people telling me that innocent people go on racist rallies because the Left hasn't saved the NHS, etc.. It makes sense in a perverse way – disillusioned with wanting a fairer, better world, so go to the devil – but it's not a reasonable response.

There are certainly a lot of accounts on here trying to shift the Overton window on racism, anti-immigrant policies etc.

Specifically what though? And in your every day life how does immigration effect you?

Yes, all of this. They learned nothing from brexit and are back for more from Nigel. Where’s that NHS money he promised before slithering away last time?

’You’re not listening to us!’ means ‘we don’t like it when you try to have an intelligent conversation about it so we’re just going to keep shouting at you.’

They do believe anyone with a different opinion is wrong and stupid - not only that, but actively evil. There’s so reasoning with people so ideologically captured.

I know the people being directly asked the question won't answer rationally...but hopefully by constantly challenging with facts and not rhetoric, it might reach some people who haven't yet become entrenched in their positions.

Until the left figure out how to be as effective as the right in getting their message across in easily digestible soundbites what other option is available?

Both sides have extreme views on the wings - the difference is the far right have been very successful in capturing the whole of the right wing. The right will band together and are happy to rally around a single issue (abortion, immigration, trans issues) even when they disagree in other areas.

The left are more likely to disagree amongst themselves. The centre left hate the far left positions almost as much as they hate the far right, but also tend to take the view that if there is not agreement on every position then there can be agreement on none. Its so self destructive!

Conservative in name; they did very little that was actually conservative. There’s very little difference between the two parties at this point. Under the Tories we get all the trans stuff and things like non-crime hate incidents.

So what are people who are fed up with Labour supposed to do?

You pitch this like anyone with a different political opinion is wrong/ stupid/ far right.

I'm no reform voter, I've never ever voted conservative either but failing to address the reasons why people are disillusioned pushes people to vote elsewhere.

These threads are reminiscent of the Brexit ones.

I don’t do Facebook etc but there were billboards up, I wouldn’t be surprised if the ‘flags’ campaign was orchestrated by Reform, and there’s been several times when I’ve wondered about the posters on here. You’re not wrong op, there’s money behind this.

Just the pendulum swinging backwards.

You might be on to something. When I was online the other week there seemed to be a theme to the adverts and images that popped up as I was searching. I didn't pay attention to what the images were promoting, I just noted that suddenly there were several images of crowds waving flags and wearing face paint with the St George's cross. What stood out to me was the subsequent string of adverts each featuring some random item decorated with the Union Jack. I remember specifically an umbrella with the flag on the underside. I thought that's weird then dismissed it as coincidence or paranoia.

What on earth are you talking about? We have had a left wing government for all of one year-we had a conservative government for 14 years before that. I love the short term memory loss that seems to happen in these conversations.

I saw a stat just yesterday that says despite Refrom having only 5 MPs, Nigel Farage has 60% of the BBC’s political coverage, so you’re probably not imagining it. I will try to find that.

I'm not a conspiracy nut either, but I do wonder what Conor mcgregor has in common with Trump junior.
He was invited to the Whitehouse to visit big Don himself. Scrot. How? Why?
Supported online by Elon?
Surprised Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson were not invited too.

Go on then, enlighten us. Why does your disillusionment make you drawn to hatefulness masquerading as patriotism?

Social media is an easy one @Checkcheckout just look at who owns the platform you’re using-they are in charge of what you see. And the more people that see that crap the more they believe and replicate it. Most news channels are the same I’m afraid: follow the owners and follow the money.

Billionaires make more money when there are right wing governments in power and during times of crisis. Recessions, wars and civil unrest are their bread and butter.

But they do their own research!

Define what you mean by contribute and take please?

Within the UK, historically graduates / middle class people (who are generally more likely to be higher earners and therefore tax payers) have tended to vote Conservative, while the working class tended to vote Labour.

Despite this, graduates tended to be more liberal and non-graaduates more authoritarian in their views.

Brexit created a shift which has started to switch the voting positions.

So - if we're talking contribution in terms of higher tax payers, then those people will generally skew centre left.

Similarly immigrants are generally net contributers in terms of tax, while the areas that have been overwhelmingly voting Reform have higher unemployment and higher numbers of benefit claimants.

The super-rich will almost always skew right. You could argue that they are contributers from a tax or 'job creation' perspective. I would argue that in hoarding wealth and consistently arguing for lower taxes which has exponentially increased the gap between rich and poor and asset stripped our public services, they take more than they contribute.

You can also look at contribution in terms of.public service. The military aside, public servants tend to skew left and work in public service as a vocation, even when they could earn more in the private sector.

In the US, Democratic states are net contributors to the fiscal purse with better employment, health and education outcomes and lower crime rates, whereas Republican states are net takers, with higher mother and child mortality rates, higher crime and lower educational attainment.

If you think those who don't contribute are the problem - why are you supporting them?

What is MSE? (apologies for derail)

Far right? Or people fed up with everything.