To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

False dichotomies like yours, perpetuated by the Establishment right wing media- 43% of whom, Editors, Newspaper Columnists etc. went to private school have got us where we are today and they are doing very well indeed, the problems they write about that we are all feeling are not going to impact them one bit!

Brexit wasn't left v right, in fact the people I know who were so against it were those who voted for the Conservatives and worked in the City!

Isn't the rise in popularity of similar always following after higher immigration years? V4, post covid. Pretty sure there were similar events in past too

No - and neither have you because they haven't actually provided any detail about what their reforms will look like, let alone gone into formal consultation.

All I've seen are headlines about them potentially scrapping EHCPs and an assurance that the legal right to support will be maintained as well as an additional £billion in funding while they figure it out.

There has been no detail of what will replace EHCPs.

I have professional and personal experience of the SEND system. It is broken beyond measure and education for the most vulnerable children has already been destroyed.

EHCPs do not work - fewer than half are completed on time, even fewer are reviewed regularly and even when they are in place the support outlined in them is often not available or is terrible quality. They are inflexible and do not easily allow schools and health services to be flexed according to a child's changing needs.

They also create a two tier system between those with severe enough SEN to qualify for an EHCP and those that don't.

I'd like to see them replaced with a more flexible approach, for all but the most severe SEND, while maintaining a parents legal right to challenge for services. In fact, I think all children should have a school led education plan that caters to their specific strengths and needs.

I want to see schools become more inclusive places so that moderate additional needs are automatically catered for and I want to see a complete overhaul of the national curriculum which is flexible to need and learning styles.

And look at the Kirk assassination: a right wing man assassinated, by someone with very left views. The left don’t agree with the death penalty after a criminally guilty verdict in court, but they are ok with dishing the death penalty out themselves to someone who hasn’t actually committed a crime?????
And it isn’t just the assassin. Plenty of people don’t mind that Kirk has been assassinated because they think he deserved it. People who dont agree with the death penalty.

Same here.

I think it’s this. People are fed up are feeling like they aren’t being listened to.

Can you hear that sound? It’s the drumbeats getting louder - we are getting ever closer to the end of this utterly wretched government.

Many of you know this to be true, in your hearts.

Let the data and the news flow show you the path.

You are happy for public services to get worse then and for massive welfare cuts that will be far more radical than now to the point that deserving disabled people will lose their benefits and kids will lose even more of their special education provision?

How about the fact that certain history topics that paint Britain in a bad light will be erased from the school curriculum and books banned from libraries that they don’t agree with and don’t want people to see? (so much for freedom of speech and expression, eh?)

That’s not even an exhaustive list. Is all that okay by you?

So that makes more ok?

That fact that controlling your borders is now considered ‘far right’ but a vocal minority of far left fanatics is why people turning to the right. Keep going, you are the best recruiting agents for Reform.

It’s not really a push towards the hard right for the sake of it. People are just desperate to get away from both Labour and Conservative and Farage is the most visible option, speaks well and appears to talk sense.

And don’t think that Labour’s rap sheet isn’t serious already. They have definitely hurt the economy and additionally, they have hurt little pockets of people very badly indeed for tiny/absolutely zero gain. Reeves seems to operate this way - she pretends she won’t hurt working people, but then hurts pockets of people by stealth. I know a German teacher at a private school - school struggling badly after VAT/extra NI so they’ve cut German out. Teacher now has no job. But hey, she didn’t hurt working people did she?

And some things are worse when they are done by Labour than by anyone else. They claim to hate people having second homes - but they have them themselves.

It easy to see how the far right rises.

In what world is Starmer a 'comrade'?

It's the 'these people' attitude of the left towards others that has got us to where we are.

Yes, surely the dry run was Brexit, it has made us all poorer!

Oh my goodness. I'm not a reform voter. I've never ever voted Tory.

I'm just pointing out ONE reason that people feel let down by Labour.

People on this thread appear to live in a world where Labour cannot be criticised for any of their policy decisions because the alternative would be worse.

That's batshit.

It's the fact that we can't hold Labour to account for policies that harm vulnerable people that drive people to vote for other parties.

Oh, those white men who usually mug and sexually assault people have been put out of a job by Johnny Foreigner, probably. That’s usually the rhetoric.

I really didn’t want to play whataboutery, but the fact you are complaining about this (which is your right) begs the question what do you think reform plan to do about this issue? Have you been paying attention to what’s been said about this from them?

I didn’t say it would did I, and I don’t think most critics of the government do either. But just because the alternative is far worse doesn’t mean we should accept ineptitude in the current government, or be afraid to say that’s it a shit show.

Fortunately, and much to comrade Starmers chagrin I’m sure, we don’t live in a totalitarian state so we can say what we think without fear of retribution…at the moment. Even Starmers own MPs have written him off…a damning indictment of a PM with such a majority after only a little over a year.

Well let's face it, that's why you would vote for Reform, hardly big on civic duty are they, the individual and the pursuit of personal happiness is the only concern and if that means attacking the rights of people you don't agree with, so be it, indifference to those around you!

Of course they weren’t right wing enough! At what point did they do anything conservative? Vote Labour or Conservative, you get the same result.

"demonisation of immigrants" - but letting more in than any other party never has? Cameron wasn't anti EU, the referendum was intended to kill anti EU sentiment stone dead. And Labour unfortunately seem even more hell bent on protecting sexual predators. There is a gulf between rhetoric and reality. Which is deliberately cultivated to make people feel like they have a choice between red or blue. They don't, they're two shop fronts for the same company.

Thanks for the thread OP. FWIW I agree.

Thanks for the links. I’m already aware of this and have been for a while.

I have also noticed my FB feed recently becoming littered with things that are miles off what would normally interest me and that doesn’t make sense in terms of my values and beliefs.

I checked all my settings but they were still as previously.

Earlier this year having read the bio of a woman who worked at FB, I decided I no longer wanted to allow FB to make money from my data so started to wind the account down. The recent algorithm changes prompted me to finally delete my account.

can’t say i’m missing it.

I am political, have been in an aware way since I left home at 18, and before that with things like an awareness that my mums objection to me playing with a neighbours daughter because she was black just didn’t make an logical sense, and I was only 5 at the time. I obeyed my mum because I was a timid kid but it made no sense at all.

I remember the racism of my older male relatives who’d fought in wars against, for example, the Japanese, due to things they’d experienced in the camps. Again I thought it illogical but I could at least see how they’d got to that.

what makes me scratch my head with the current racist mindset is that the people shouting the loudest often don’t actually know anyone from a different race/culture and just don’t mix outside their circles. I’m aware that this happens in other culture too in this country. I consider it a failure of govt policy, in much the same way as their failure of policy in regard to inwards migration from the Caribbean in the 50’s and 60’s.

it does make me sad how far Russian (and others) interference has dragged us in terms of identity politics.

I lived most of my 20’s and 30’s either on benefits or very low wages due to things outside my control and my memory was of supportive people from all races and cultures mixing (im
in London) and lifting each other up between all the shittyness of life when you’re financially struggling. I was also a single parent of a disabled child and saw the changes after 1997 in terms of support for things like escaping domestic violence. (It just wasn’t there prior to that. If you rung the police they wouldn’t get involved in ‘domestics).
from my age and demographic I should now apparently be right wing leaning.

thankfully I’ve had enough experience of life not to fall for extremes in any area of life.
my grandparents would be horrified to see history repeating itself this way but this time speeded up by sophisticated electronic interference.

How many sexual assaults / muggings / assaults have been carried.out by white men in your area?

I would bet my mortgage it is more than have been commited by immigrants, but I doubt you would hear people say they are intimidated by white men!

Labour only got 20% of potential votes last time. The same number of votes as they got when they lost to the Tories in the previous election. They didn’t win by getting new voters, they won because people didn’t vote Tory or because the right wing vote was split. They never had the country with them but don’t care because of their huge majority in parliament. Their MPs will start to care a lot more as the next election draws nearer.