To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

Oh this has come up before with other musicians!

I'm sorry, can't remember the details, but IIRC a MNer involved with a Big Name musician's social media had seen a huge influx of posts pushing some particular troll favourite. Can't remember if it was anti-vax, insidiously pro-Russian invasion of Ukraine, or what.

But targeting musicians' loyal fanbases does seem to be a Thing.

All those things are made worse by the right wing policy, not left.

But again, you really need to stop equating right wing to working class. You don't speak for me or any of the people I know.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but wealth beyond measure is highly subjective. And I’m not sure what you mean by people working together for the benefit of everyone, not just those they agree with?

Have you been looking at some CK posts? That may have driven it?

It means:

everybody having an equal chance to better themselves through access to high quality education, employment opportunities and fair wages

a healthy populace through universal healthcare,

Good national infrastructure which supports business and creates jobs

Not allowing the wealthy to hoard thelr wealth beyond measure. Use effective taxation to reduce the wealth gap rather than relying on trickle down economics which clearly doesn't work.

People working together for the benefit of everyone, not just those they agree with

You say that but I've noticed something very odd recently.

I am a massive Genesis fan and follow lots of stuff to do with the band and the individual members. Over the last week or so I have been getting fake posts on Facebook supposedly relating to Phil Collins banning someone for making disparaging comments about Charlie Kirk's murder. Cue lots of comments about Charlie Kirk's views.

It is quite obviously fake as, apart from anything else, Phil Collins health makes it unlikely Genesis will tour again. Now when I see anything like this I don't even click on it.

It's a minor thing perhaps but quite scary and even more so when you realise that some people may not realise that it is fake.

The modern day slave trade is thriving all over the world, particularly in Pakistan. Think of all the good we could do if we started concentrating on those still alive, instead of those long gone.

My parents like many others in the 60's did have significantly better lives as a result of the inequalities the post war Labour government tried to address. In fact, my Dad says now that life is far more challenging for us in terms of housing, jobs etc (even though we are comfortable by most people's standards) than it was for them (my parents).

Through diplomacy - which we also did. Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands were all pressured into signing anti-slavery treaties. It was mostly Barzillian ships that were destroyed, mostly they were seized.

Absolutely not true.

Like you I've been learning about what my grandparent's generation did in the 1940s.

They were involved in meetings looking forward to peacetime and trying to work out what people actually wanted from their country, and how to deliver a country which worked for all.

There was a very good understanding that the folk walking into the furnace on the battlefields should have a country which worked for them when they came home. And the same went for those working on the home front.

But what does that mean, in practice? Equality and reduction of the wealth gap?

I mean, yes there was rationing post war but personally my Grandparents were definitely able to survive, my parents were living it up in the 60s, so many job opportunities for young people, they were turning them down.

Great - now go and look at the scandals, unrest and inequality around the availability of off-ration food and luxuries and the issues it caused.

While your grandparents and my grandparents were stuck with meagre rations, Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg's grandparents were eating venison and caviar.

That is why equality and reduction of the wealth gap is so important!

Yes, it’s amazing.

Mistake 😁

YANBU OP. Of course.

I can’t think of anything the “left” has done which would make me vote for Reform!! Jesus. Yes there are global issues with rampant capitalism leaving many people worse off - the answer is not Farage!

The far right is getting worryingly confident - it’s scary.

How would we enforce that on Holland, Portugal, Spain and France? the only way we could actually enforce it was to destroy their fleets.

Modern day slavery in Western Europe doesn't equate to the NA slave trade.

As for the rest of the world, especially in Africa and Arabia, slavery never really went away.

Oh right, so the emergence of powerful Trade Unions shaping the socio-economic and political post war landscape, that led to legislation to improve workers' rights like the Factory Act of 1948, the Mines and Quarries Act of 1954, the expansion of the welfare state, the establishment of a National Health Service, the educational opportunities for working class children, all this was just a coincidence was it?

When the UK had so-called "Christian Values":

• marital rape was legal
• women did not have equal employment rights
• women were fired for getting married
• women's property became the property of their husbands
• women did not have the vote
• men having sex with girls under 16 was socially acceptable because that meant the girls were slags, not the men were wrong
• babies were taken from their mothers and given away to strangers if the mother wasn't married to the father (Christian organisations were particularly active in this)
• male homosexuality was illegal and people were jailed for it
• beating men to death for being gay was illegal but socially acceptable
• gay marriage didn't exist
• people could be discriminated against for housing and employment based on the colour of their skin, their sex or being gay.

Would you like me to go on?

I'm fucking THRILLED at many of the cultural changes in my country since the UK was dominated by the sort of "Christian Values" which used to hold sway.

(And I should add, these values are not in fact very Christian. Genuine Christian values like "love thy neighbour" and helping the sick, poor and outcast, are still alive and well and available for you to practice, should you wish to...)

Yes, I'm British. I do not want to, nor have I, denigrated our culture.

Are you British, why do you want to denigrate our culture?

By making it a crime to own slaves?

We did a really good thing in stopping slavery - no-one is disagreeing with that.

You were the one who mentioned how much it cost - but it only cost what it did because the state essentially bought the slaves.

How would you feel if any of the perpetrators in recent modern day slavery cases were given compensation instead of prison sentences?

Who has said it's not important? Please give examples.

So, we were the fist civilisation to end mass slavery and our country sacrificed it's men, not once, but twice, in their hundreds and thousands to help save Europe from dark forces.

But yeah, that's not really important say the cultural marxists........

ColdSalad is referring to ColdSalad’s motherland - Russia😁