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To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

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Checkcheckout · 16/09/2025 01:07

I’m the first to admit that I am not the best informed - I prefer to keep my life stress free and simple as much as possible, and don’t have a TV, don’t read papers, and only listen to the radio when I’m driving (which is quite often). For my own mental health I prefer to live in my own little bubble.

But even with my limited exposure to media, I’ve noticed on Radio 2, both on the news and Jeremy Vine’s show, Reform are being given so much air time considering their paltry amount of MPs, the polls are being discussed regularly even though we’re years from an election. More than once listening to the radio I’ve thought the way they’re talking makes it sound like Reform winning the next election is a done deal, and thought to myself that this is how self fulfilling prophecies happen.

My algorithms on FB are seriously messed up. Despite having never been remotely interested in anything in the least bit right wing, all of a sudden I’m getting endless posts from knuckle dragging ‘patriot’ groups that I don’t even follow, with really horrendous and openly racist comments, thousands of them, which somehow FB are allowing to remain even though any kind of hate speech has always been censored on there. Why are these posts suddenly being allowed and pushed in my face?

Alongside this there seems to be a new story pretty much every day about the latest scandal involving Labour (again reported by the BBC), ok these things aren’t great although compared to the Tories’ rap list from their last spell in government, are fairly small fry really. It seems like there’s an active push for people to rebel away from the left just as the far right are gaining momentum.

Has anyone else noticed this or am I talking shite?

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ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 17:00

Mlddleoftheroad · 16/09/2025 16:59

In the wealth chart, I have spent most of my life in the bottom 4%. But, yes, I must be middle-class because I abhor racism and fascists. Hmm

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Newsflash - most people abhor racism, FFS.

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:59

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:56

Do you live somewhere like Luton (whatever that means)?

I've nothing more to say to you, you bring nothing but liberal waffle that everyone is tired of hearing and can see straight through. All the best.

Mlddleoftheroad · 16/09/2025 16:59

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:52

It's just a guess, normally the white, liberal, middle class, privileged kind of women, preaching the benefits of MC don't live in places like Luton.

In the wealth chart, I have spent most of my life in the bottom 4%. But, yes, I must be middle-class because I abhor racism and fascists. Hmm

napody · 16/09/2025 16:58

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/09/2025 01:27

100% this! This is precisely the question everyone should be asking. But I suspect they won't.

It was answered twice before you even posted.
The right have already got what they wanted: Brexit. It's done massive damage and removed loads of opportunities from our children. We've had 14 years of tories. 'The left' haven't been in charge, and with Keir's appeasement they still aren't. If people are feeling disillusioned they're being manipulated to completely misdirect that anger.

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:56

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:52

It's just a guess, normally the white, liberal, middle class, privileged kind of women, preaching the benefits of MC don't live in places like Luton.

Do you live somewhere like Luton (whatever that means)?

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:53

BeHappySloth · 16/09/2025 16:49

I'm aware. That doesn't change the fact that the lack of diversity was perceived as a significant problem.

There has always been an active far right element in Japan. That is nothing new. And yes, they have gained traction recently, like far right movements across the world.

Do you think the protesters are wrong to be concerned? What is it that makes them 'far' right?

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:52

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:51

How do you know what sort of life I have? You know nothing about me or where I live.

It's just a guess, normally the white, liberal, middle class, privileged kind of women, preaching the benefits of MC don't live in places like Luton.

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:51

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:49

And as such, your daydream version of the UK is in reality a bit of a dystopian nightmare with most people living in groups of their own kind.

I don't include privileged white middle class women in that though, you live entirely different lives.

How do you know what sort of life I have? You know nothing about me or where I live.

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:50

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:44

You see, if it wasn't for places like Luton existing, I'd agree with you, but for most people their reality isn't being able to go to a stately home on a Sunday....

I have family from Luton. Posters on here largely live in white, middle-class enclaves where they just get to dabble in a glossy version of multiculturalism. They've likely never visited Luton, Bradford or Peterborough.

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:49

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:47

That's just life though isn't it? Some people don't have time or money for leisure activities, twas ever thus, the world over. I'd like it not to be so, but the existence of "places like Luton" isn't the cause.

And as such, your daydream version of the UK is in reality a bit of a dystopian nightmare with most people living in groups of their own kind.

I don't include privileged white middle class women in that though, you live entirely different lives.

BeHappySloth · 16/09/2025 16:49

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:46

They've literally just had anti-immigration protests in Japan this month over the numbers of African migrants arriving.

I'm aware. That doesn't change the fact that the lack of diversity was perceived as a significant problem.

There has always been an active far right element in Japan. That is nothing new. And yes, they have gained traction recently, like far right movements across the world.

Mlddleoftheroad · 16/09/2025 16:49

Prestopop · 16/09/2025 16:26

I agree. It pisses me off no end when people parrot on about the NHS being ‘free’ - it’s not - we pay for it through our taxes!

My husband pays tens of thousands in tax for abysmal public services, I’d much rather we all pay less tax and have a private medical system that is actually decent. Most people I know are having to pay privately anyway as the NHS is so shocking and waiting lists are appalling. The NHS is an endless money pit with too many inefficient uses of funding to count.

There are many countries in the world where there is no nhs.

Personally, I am happy to live in a country where we contribute together towards education, health, welfare, security, justice. A country where people no longer starve to death (on the whole), where the vulnerable are looked after. These are things that we should not take lightly, or let go of easily.

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:47

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:44

You see, if it wasn't for places like Luton existing, I'd agree with you, but for most people their reality isn't being able to go to a stately home on a Sunday....

That's just life though isn't it? Some people don't have time or money for leisure activities, twas ever thus, the world over. I'd like it not to be so, but the existence of "places like Luton" isn't the cause.

tramtracks · 16/09/2025 16:47

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 12:49

Oh, I totally agree it will be more of the same.

Low key civil war may be an issue in the not too distant future.

I think your sentence about bashing brown and black people is obnoxious, especially as white working class kids in this country are some of the most deprived and under privileged and that the UK is one of the most, if not the most, tolerant, unracist countries in the world.

I have never heard anyone from Reform ‘bash brown and black people’.

I wouldn’t vote for them but I don’t see them a racist party.
It isn’t racism to raise concerns about illegal immigration. I’m not a supporter of open borders.

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:46

BeHappySloth · 16/09/2025 16:37

When I lived in Japan years ago, many Japanese people were convinced that the lack of diversity in Japan was one of the country's greatest weaknesses. Indeed, successive Japanese government's invested millions in "internationalisation" initiatives. They recognised that the relative lack of diversity was holding them back as a nation.

They've literally just had anti-immigration protests in Japan this month over the numbers of African migrants arriving.

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:44

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:40

I agree. I love it too. Where else in the world can you go to a Caribbean festival on Saturday and to a stately home for a scone on Sunday? Fabulous. Nothing unpatriotic about loving my country as I've always known it.

You see, if it wasn't for places like Luton existing, I'd agree with you, but for most people their reality isn't being able to go to a stately home on a Sunday....

tramtracks · 16/09/2025 16:43

squidsin · 16/09/2025 13:08

It is a problem though. As a percentage of his income, Rishi Sunak - a millionaire, and just as an example - pays less than the average person, as the majority of his taxes are capital gains, which means he's paying a lower rate of tax than a high rate income tax. If you're rich enough to afford a good accountant, you end up dumping the tax burden onto people who are a lot less capable than you of shouldering it. The argument is always 'otherwise they'd just leave' but that's just a way of shrugging shoulders at massive and unfair tax inequality.

For me - it’s less about perceived fairness and more about generating the most tax revenue we can - from the richest - without encouraging them to leave.

It’s not that easy to lower your tax burden by simply ‘employing a good accountant’. Most of the loopholes have been closed.

yes - you could tax ‘wealth’ by increasing the dividend tax or capital gains tax but I’m not sure that really makes much difference to the actual revenue generated.

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:40

LeBonBon · 16/09/2025 16:26

Because it literally is one of the best things about being British and living here - our food, our arts, our neighbours - melting pots of colours, flavours, ways of life, all living together fairly harmoniously considering how diverse we actually are. We do have problems, but overall it's a great place to live. This weekend I was lucky enough to sit and eat a fantastic jerk chicken meal in the grounds of the incredible Belton House at their open day (for free!). We bought a fabulous chai rum from a local producer and my DD learned how to make a dragonfly out of pipe cleaners.

If the students are looking at history, we literally triumphed over nationalist countries (Germany, Japan), because we worked together with others to win. And we invited those teammates to live here to rebuild this country with us afterwards.

Multiculturalism makes this place a wonderful place to be. My worry is that once you've got a Reform in place, and they do successfully do something about the numbers of asylum seekers (they won't - it will get worse), where do we draw the line as to who is acceptable to persecute/attack next?

I agree. I love it too. Where else in the world can you go to a Caribbean festival on Saturday and to a stately home for a scone on Sunday? Fabulous. Nothing unpatriotic about loving my country as I've always known it.

ColdSalads · 16/09/2025 16:39

LeBonBon · 16/09/2025 16:26

Because it literally is one of the best things about being British and living here - our food, our arts, our neighbours - melting pots of colours, flavours, ways of life, all living together fairly harmoniously considering how diverse we actually are. We do have problems, but overall it's a great place to live. This weekend I was lucky enough to sit and eat a fantastic jerk chicken meal in the grounds of the incredible Belton House at their open day (for free!). We bought a fabulous chai rum from a local producer and my DD learned how to make a dragonfly out of pipe cleaners.

If the students are looking at history, we literally triumphed over nationalist countries (Germany, Japan), because we worked together with others to win. And we invited those teammates to live here to rebuild this country with us afterwards.

Multiculturalism makes this place a wonderful place to be. My worry is that once you've got a Reform in place, and they do successfully do something about the numbers of asylum seekers (they won't - it will get worse), where do we draw the line as to who is acceptable to persecute/attack next?

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BeHappySloth · 16/09/2025 16:37

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:10

That may be true but why are we teaching in schools that the most wonderful, inspiring thing about being British is our diversity? What if I were to move to Japan and tell the indigenous people there, the people whose ancestors have built up that land and culture for 1000s of years, that the thing they should bring their children up to be the most proud of is the fact that a whole bunch of people who are not Japanese are now here too?

When I lived in Japan years ago, many Japanese people were convinced that the lack of diversity in Japan was one of the country's greatest weaknesses. Indeed, successive Japanese government's invested millions in "internationalisation" initiatives. They recognised that the relative lack of diversity was holding them back as a nation.

Catsandcheese · 16/09/2025 16:36

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:25

What you are saying is dishonest and nonsensical. A slow trickle of 'new blood' into a country over centuries (in times when only hardworking and resourceful newcomers willing to assimilate will likely be able to make it), is vastly different to what we've seen in recent years. It seems strangely childish to resort AI to try and 'teach' us that - shockingly - immigration is not a new phenomenon. Are you an adult?

Nothing dishonest about it. It’s easier for me to copy and paste from the internet than going to seek out references from history books - and I have been honest about where I got the information from.
My point remains that this country is built on immigration, and I can’t quite follow why it’s suddenly a problem now except that the main focus seems to be on asylum seekers rather than the huge numbers allowed in legally. Which then leads to other questions…

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:34

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:31

I don't think this is the "gotcha" you think it is. What point is it you think you are scoring? I'm not here to discuss the dictionary definition of the word diversity, nor its etymological history. Any fool could look that up in a second. I do find these attempts to derail tiresome. I was talking about how the word diversity has been appropriated in recent years, I specifically quoted Sadiq Khan as an example so that there would be no wiggle room for those who haunt every MN thread determined to derail and deliberately misunderstand.

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I also asked which bit of the curriculum it is. But you couldn't answer that could you? You're derailing with a lecture instead.

prestonpolly · 16/09/2025 16:33

smallpinecone · 16/09/2025 14:33

The Conservatives aren’t right leaning.

The UK didn’t particularly want a Labour government; they just didn’t want the Conservatives. That’s how Labour won it - they barely said a word, but it was handed to them just by virtue of not being the Tories.

I partially agree.

Labour didn't win the election, the Tories lost it because they couldn't be bothered to go out and vote

Honish · 16/09/2025 16:31

Digdongdoo · 16/09/2025 16:20

Aren't they? Someone with as many books as you surely knows what it means though?

I don't think this is the "gotcha" you think it is. What point is it you think you are scoring? I'm not here to discuss the dictionary definition of the word diversity, nor its etymological history. Any fool could look that up in a second. I do find these attempts to derail tiresome. I was talking about how the word diversity has been appropriated in recent years, I specifically quoted Sadiq Khan as an example so that there would be no wiggle room for those who haunt every MN thread determined to derail and deliberately misunderstand.

Nellodee · 16/09/2025 16:31

If all social media went down today the world would be a way better place by the end of the week.