To think Keir Starmer is toast as soon as the state visit is over

I think the country needs to let leaders lead for the term that they are elected for. It isn’t Tinder dating, you can’t just swipe for the next one and ghost.

Labour are losing their own support from the last GE, very few do approve and the majority don’t 11% v 70%. Apart from the more loyal on mn most can see it’s not going well.

Right wingers are desperate aren’t they? Pick, pick, pick at every little thing. It is very noticeable after decades of Tory corruption and enough to make me think that Labourmust be doing something right, to scare them so much.

Many of us are happy to roll the dice on that.

How is the pay off working out for those who gambled on Labour?

I think we need some stability. No one is perfect and we need some calm leadership. No decisions are easy but there’s too much shit happening for this country to descend into a fight for the top job. IMO politicians need to take a long hard look at how they behave and think about what their behaviour does to those who are vaguely interested in becoming a politician. All this calling into account and going on and on about things the other side have done & then blaming the other side for things they did years ago, it’s mad. Business doesn’t behave like this, we don’t have the Tesco board slagging off Sainsburys. And I know it’s public money etc but if decent people with more up front aims and objectives ran the country in a more cohesive and cooperative fashion I think we’d do a lot better. We need long term policies for the UK which are agreed by all on key things not keep swapping things and changing things all the time. They all need their heads banging together!!

The voice of reason. He's having a torrid time right now no doubt about it, and yes in some respects he is the author of his own misfortune. But the job was always a poisoned chalice, it's years until the next election and he's got a massive parliamentary majority. Plus I expect that constant shrieking from most of the press and internet blow-hards (the type who are happy to broadcast their opinion on politics but don't know that the 1922 Committee is nothing to do with Labour), was fully priced in from the off.

If people think the current administration is shambolic then I can guarantee that a Reform one - with their cast of inexperienced misfits and fantasy economics - will be much, much worse.

How do you envisage that happening?

He will be gone very soon I reckon. This week maybe...

The next significant elections are in May in Wales & Scotland. Starmer is not on the Ballots but they will decide his future.

Agree with you on that post.

Op maybe or perhaps it’ll take longer. Labour are circling but they don’t really have the mechanism. They could just not be behind him as he stays.

Personally, I have zero interest in DA, but I do care about the integrity of those in office, as should all
of us.

This government is being dismantled, brick
by brick - all self inflicted.

More specials from Two tier:

The housing minister resigns after dodging, wait for it…tax on her house

Anti corruption minister resigns for being prosecuted abroad for corruption

Anti homelessness minister reigns for making her tenants homeless

Unfortunately the transport secretary let the side down by resigning for insurance fraud. She could have been more comrade like and continued the trend by, I dunno, nicking some trains or buses or something.

The chancellor in the meantime is done with all that, with allegations that she was fiddling expenses in her job at a bank and bunking off during work time. And nowadays just fills her time plagiarizing books and lying on her cv.

that revolting oink who sent sexually explicit texts about Diane Abbot?

He certainly is revolting, but to be fair Starmer couldn't have known about them, they were sent in 2017. Who leaked them and why now is the question.

Also, strange how the right wing press and politicians suddenly care about Diane Abbott. Usually they are the ones insulting her.

Agreed but the news flow is moving rapidly.
Anything is possible.

Remember, we have the budget on 26th Nov
which will prove calamitous.

If Keir is revealed to be embroiled in a similar level of scandal, then that would be a different matter.

But that's not what OP is asking about. He isn't going to step down and be replaced after the state visit just because he's unpopular. Again, that isn't how it works in Labour.

The Tory system that we've become familiar with (1922 committee etc) is very different.

The sooner he goes, the better.

Tow Tier’s achievements so far:
Highest unemployment in years
Highest taxes since WW2
Highest food inflation since CoL inflation in 2022
Businesses going to the wall due to NI increases
No growth
GDP per capita recession
Highest ever boat crossings
Tech and pharma companies running to the door to leave the UK
House building is even lower now than under the Tories (Angela was too busy buying houses for herself)

But hey he’s finally figured out that a woman
cannot have a penis and there’s now enough armed police to be turning up in packs to arrest comedians at airports.

To be honest, if it wasn’t so tragic, a comedian could have written this shitshow of a satire.

You make light of MH issues and wish the UK to be destroyed FGS.

At best, Starmer has shown himself to be a very poor judge of character. Rayner, Mandelson, that revolting oink who sent sexually explicit texts about Diane Abbot? These were all close members of his team, “trusted advisors”. I have zero desire to see Farage in power, the Tories are in no way credible opposition but I cannot see how Starmer can hang on. Labour need someone credible to steady the country, we need stability and growth which we currently do not have.

Is that all you’ve got? Ridiculous post.

I used to think that we were done with the change of PM whenever their party feels like. I hate it!
But now I am not so sure Starmer will do the 4 years, if he does not wake up. I think he started with good strong ideas and he has turned into an amorphous nothingness with no back bone or path to follow.
I want to see their manifesto pushed forward boldly and efficiently. And him acting like a leader, rather than an old cushion. We can only hope.

An absurd post - hugely disrespectful to those with MH issues, and wishing the country suffers a thermonuclear strike?

My goodness.

Exactly. SM, including MN, is full of what you describe, especially over the last couple of weeks.

He might go in May though if the elections go badly.

I thought we were talking about Starmer?

Did you also dismiss the possibility of Rayner’s demise?

A day is a long time in politics, currently.

Labour doesn't have the same mechanisms to get rid of their leader like the Tories do.

For Keir to go, there would need to be a viable person ready to command support from a significant number of MPs.

This person doesn't currently exist.

So, no, Keir won't be gone after the state visit or any time soon.