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To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day

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Viviennemary · 15/09/2025 17:37

I've just seen an interview with Keir Starmer talking in riddles. If he knew then what he knew now then this mess wouldn't have happened. Three hour debate about it tomorrow in Parliament. Surely his time is up. But if a lefty takes over it might be worse.

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Itcantbetrue · 15/09/2025 20:54

Unfortunatly I think it all fits into a rather narrow disinterested view he has about women

He was awful to Rosie duffield (sp), didn't get behind the Rotherham scandal until forced to, wasn't pro womens rights v trans rights until he realised it was a major voting issue and now mandarin and Epstein !

Sorry ladies we are just not on this man's radar

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:51

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:47

Well you are as you are implying that it is Labour's lack of talent that will be the reason for a Reform win. So basically not based upon the merits of Reform.

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Labour’s 'lack of talent' will be the reason if there's a Reform win. It's not rocket science.

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:50

I think Reform in picking up Danny Krueger have done quite well. He is actually skilled. He led Jenrick’s leadership campaign.

The others from the Conservatives have been less impressive. Exception being the founder of ConservativeHome which was a sign Reform are neither a joke nor a flash in the pan.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 20:49

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:43

No. The Conservatives face the grim reality of becoming a very junior partner in a potential Reform led government. That is the only way to obliterate a Lab Lib coalition in 2029. That’s on the current figures. But it is 2029, unless the market has Truss style meltdown, which is why I talk about her significance because it is something of that order that destroys a government, not VAT on private schools.

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When you say no do you mean agree. The pp is correct on who Labour should be worried about. Noticeably they seem terribly stuck on the tories as messaging and it shows in support for Reform.

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:47

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:43

No. Are you?

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Well you are as you are implying that it is Labour's lack of talent that will be the reason for a Reform win. So basically not based upon the merits of Reform.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:46

In plain terms the Tories were awful, Labour were voted in because they were so bad. Labour are proving to be just as awful. Why would anyone vote for either mainstream party?

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:45

Papyrophile · 15/09/2025 20:44

Oh, I missed Louise Haigh and Tulip being forced to resign...

You did! How's the corruption trial going for the ex anti corruption minister? Any news?

MorningLarkEchoes · 15/09/2025 20:45

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:39

What so we get Reform by default not because of their 'talent'?

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If Labour don’t start listening to the electorate, then yes, we will end up with a Reform government. The polls have already put them in the lead over Labour, just over a year after they won. And when I say ‘won’, they didn’t really win - the only reason they got in, is because people wanted to punish the Tories. They were given a golden opportunity, and they’ve blown it.

Papyrophile · 15/09/2025 20:44

Oh, I missed Louise Haigh and Tulip being forced to resign...

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:43

MorningLarkEchoes · 15/09/2025 20:39

It’s not their predecessors they need to worry about going by the polling results below…

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No. The Conservatives face the grim reality of becoming a very junior partner in a potential Reform led government. That is the only way to obliterate a Lab Lib coalition in 2029. That’s on the current figures. But it is 2029, unless the market has Truss style meltdown, which is why I talk about her significance because it is something of that order that destroys a government, not VAT on private schools.

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:43

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:42

Are you arguing that Reform are talentless then?

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No. Are you?

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:42

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:40

It's Labour's to lose. They have done an excellent job of that so far.

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Are you arguing that Reform are talentless then?

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 20:41

MorningLarkEchoes · 15/09/2025 20:39

It’s not their predecessors they need to worry about going by the polling results below…

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Fair, a reminder on that front

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:40

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:39

What so we get Reform by default not because of their 'talent'?

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It's Labour's to lose. They have done an excellent job of that so far.

Papyrophile · 15/09/2025 20:40

Mandelson has a rare political genius, hence his four comebacks, but he is also ineradicably tainted by his association with the loathsome Epstein and corrupted by his pursuit of oligarchs.

The Labour government had at least a year to prepare for office because it was obvious that the Tories were going down in flames -- despite Sunak doing a very decent job. Apart from Wes Streeting, who seems to be doing a difficult job pretty well, none of the rest appear to have any depth. The Budget stalled the economy, Lammy's deal with Mauritius for the Chagos Islands looks expensive and inept, small boat arrivals are up 25% over last year, the first Business Secretary had never been in business (and wasn't a qualified solicitor), DEFRA was being led by a chap who didn't realise he would need a pair of wellies, Milliband is refusing to reconsider his ideological position on energy and North Sea oil so our energy costs are still the highest in the world, and that's before Rayner's SDLT fiasco or the suits, specs and hospitality shenanigans.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:40

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:39

What so we get Reform by default not because of their 'talent'?

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Yes.

MorningLarkEchoes · 15/09/2025 20:39

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:36

Now now. Truss was forced out by her own party due to her total incompetence. Should that happen to Keir Starmer, I think you will have a valid point. Until then, I am afraid he is still better placed than the frighteningly low bar set by his predecessors.

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It’s not their predecessors they need to worry about going by the polling results below…

To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day
Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:39

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:38

No! But they are a shoe in if both the main stream parties can't do better at attracting talent before the next election. Currently its an open goal for Reform

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What so we get Reform by default not because of their 'talent'?

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 20:39

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:36

Now now. Truss was forced out by her own party due to her total incompetence. Should that happen to Keir Starmer, I think you will have a valid point. Until then, I am afraid he is still better placed than the frighteningly low bar set by his predecessors.

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Maybe they will but it generally takes longer for Labour to do it which can also be problematic.

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:38

AlasPoor · 15/09/2025 20:26

There is nothing that this Labour government has done that matches it for sheer incompetence. Nothing.

They implemented a children’s education tax!

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They did! Then they fought kids with SEN in court to retain a policy which causes harm without raising any money.

Also a jobs tax, a farmers tax, WFA - where were they in the Labour manifesto?

How can anyone continue to defend this government?

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:38

It is the old Humphrey maxim; yes it’s a shambles. But is it a total shambles?

Roll on the next budget which is likely to give the answer

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:38

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:36

And that, 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' looks like a Reform government does it!

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No! But they are a shoe in if both the main stream parties can't do better at attracting talent before the next election. Currently its an open goal for Reform

Goldenbear · 15/09/2025 20:36

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:33

Please let's aspire to do much better and stop judging one Government's poor performance to the equally woeful performance of another.

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And that, 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' looks like a Reform government does it!

bombastix · 15/09/2025 20:36

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:33

Please let's aspire to do much better and stop judging one Government's poor performance to the equally woeful performance of another.

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Now now. Truss was forced out by her own party due to her total incompetence. Should that happen to Keir Starmer, I think you will have a valid point. Until then, I am afraid he is still better placed than the frighteningly low bar set by his predecessors.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:33

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:51

Nothing yet matches Liz Truss and her brief, clueless, economically incompetent tenure. Nothing. Labour must work far harder to hit her impressive lows

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Please let's aspire to do much better and stop judging one Government's poor performance to the equally woeful performance of another.