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To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day

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Viviennemary · 15/09/2025 17:37

I've just seen an interview with Keir Starmer talking in riddles. If he knew then what he knew now then this mess wouldn't have happened. Three hour debate about it tomorrow in Parliament. Surely his time is up. But if a lefty takes over it might be worse.

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StandFirm · 18/09/2025 07:38

I don't think it's particularly good news. It's going to pull us away even further from our neighbours without delivering any substantial advantages.

twistyizzy · 18/09/2025 07:32

bombastix · 17/09/2025 19:32

I do think there is something actually beyond the usual bullshit of the special relationship that usually gets wheeled out. Starmer has been able to use that where his predecessors haven’t, even where frankly Trump and him have little in common politically. It is certainly unusual, but it’s a thing that other countries would be grateful for.

Look at the Swiss or India who have engaged Trump and his ire. The UK has avoided that. I think it will do more with the US, and no, it’s not Nigel Farage who gets credit for that because no Conservative PM delivered post Brexit even a fraction of what Starmer has got from the US. It may not suit the idea that Starmer is an idiot, but internationally he is astute. I would expect more good news to come.

Well Nick Clegg isn't overwhelmed with the deal

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/17/nick-clegg-multibillion-dollar-transatlantic-tech-agreement-sloppy-seconds-from-silicon-valley

Nick Clegg: US-UK tech deal is ‘sloppy seconds from Silicon Valley’

Meta’s former president of global affairs says agreement will leave UK more reliant on US tech firms

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/17/nick-clegg-multibillion-dollar-transatlantic-tech-agreement-sloppy-seconds-from-silicon-valley

Thegreyhound · 18/09/2025 07:08

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/09/2025 07:59

Eh? The climate emergency/crisis has been the drumbeat of the last 20 years. We have made a lot of stupid, emotional moves be cause of it too.

You have got to be kidding me.
You simply cannot look at the reality and say that. It’s nonsense.

StandFirm · 18/09/2025 07:07

Viviennemary · 15/09/2025 18:15

He was very good at his job apparently. Well I suppose being a duplicitous liar wouldn't be on his CV. You couldn't make it up. All about money and cosying up to rich folk.

I suppose you won't vote Reform either because cosying up to rich folk is NF's business model.

TeenagersAngst · 18/09/2025 06:40

Starmer is an internationalist and it’s clear he much prefers foreign policy to domestic. Anyone remember his famous ‘Davos’ answer when being asked which was his favourite- Westminster or Davos?

bombastix · 17/09/2025 21:09

The Conservatives had their own go at getting a deal with the US with Trump that failed before Biden. And what does it say about various Conservative PMs that they failed internationally with Biden, the EU, India? I’m critical of Starmer and his domestic policy but internationally he is far better than his predecessors who landed very little of quality even though they had been the enthusiastic backers of Brexit and the opportunities it was said to provide the UK. Who has actually delivered these deals over the line?

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 20:57

Trump got in after Cons were out anyway. He was always ready to deal with the U.K.

The Starmer adoration is a bit much.

bombastix · 17/09/2025 20:00

No, there was some relationship building but the imperative on trade and investment from the US has been driven by this Labour government, which is imo good and should continue.

The Conservatives talked a lot about international trade but did not deliver that much. Post Brexit they did have a proper responsibility to deliver on it. Sunak was a grown up at least. Johnson and Truss were dire.

I am all for the UK making more money. Reeves is one of the most incompetent politicians I have ever seen. Starmer should sack her; how anyone can fluff being Chancellor like she has for almost no gain unparalleled (except perhaps Kwasi Kwarteng)

twistyizzy · 17/09/2025 19:48

bombastix · 17/09/2025 19:32

I do think there is something actually beyond the usual bullshit of the special relationship that usually gets wheeled out. Starmer has been able to use that where his predecessors haven’t, even where frankly Trump and him have little in common politically. It is certainly unusual, but it’s a thing that other countries would be grateful for.

Look at the Swiss or India who have engaged Trump and his ire. The UK has avoided that. I think it will do more with the US, and no, it’s not Nigel Farage who gets credit for that because no Conservative PM delivered post Brexit even a fraction of what Starmer has got from the US. It may not suit the idea that Starmer is an idiot, but internationally he is astute. I would expect more good news to come.

However some of what has been announced was begun under Sunak, that link explains so. Not all of it obviously but Starmer has been able to claim credit for some things which had already begun under Sunak.

bombastix · 17/09/2025 19:32

I do think there is something actually beyond the usual bullshit of the special relationship that usually gets wheeled out. Starmer has been able to use that where his predecessors haven’t, even where frankly Trump and him have little in common politically. It is certainly unusual, but it’s a thing that other countries would be grateful for.

Look at the Swiss or India who have engaged Trump and his ire. The UK has avoided that. I think it will do more with the US, and no, it’s not Nigel Farage who gets credit for that because no Conservative PM delivered post Brexit even a fraction of what Starmer has got from the US. It may not suit the idea that Starmer is an idiot, but internationally he is astute. I would expect more good news to come.

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/09/2025 19:06

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:42

I think I saw 10 billion direct investment this morning from US companies! Good news for us and facilitated by the relationship.

you don’t have to see blues in the loo, you know

I think more is down to having Brexited than down to Starmer’s relationship building. Maybe we should thank Farage?

bombastix · 17/09/2025 18:20

My mistake. It’s 30 billion.

As for lost pharma, there is a little bit of game playing here don’t you think? Fact is the UK only pays a small amount and far smaller than other jurisdictions on its drugs thanks to the NHS. So yes, I imagine they will play a bit of hardball up to getting more money from the government and then make their decisions based on the profit they can make. Are you up for your NHS drugs costing a bit more?

twistyizzy · 17/09/2025 17:17

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:45

And these are likely better jobs, in more deprived areas of the UK then the relative middle class needs of John Lewis shoppers. The first is potentially higher pay than retail employment (which admittedly JL do pay above minimum wage rates).

Yeh many of the lost pharma jobs are in deprived areas 🙄

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 17:10

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:42

I think I saw 10 billion direct investment this morning from US companies! Good news for us and facilitated by the relationship.

you don’t have to see blues in the loo, you know

‘Blues in the loo’?

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:45

And these are likely better jobs, in more deprived areas of the UK then the relative middle class needs of John Lewis shoppers. The first is potentially higher pay than retail employment (which admittedly JL do pay above minimum wage rates).

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:42

I think I saw 10 billion direct investment this morning from US companies! Good news for us and facilitated by the relationship.

you don’t have to see blues in the loo, you know

twistyizzy · 17/09/2025 16:40

bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:37

All I can say to our anti Trump, anti US crowd is that I do not see any other country that is investing in the UK at such a rate, not such a powerful one, nor one with such an extensive military capability. I would say these are big advantages compared to the EU who are going to get nothing like this. Keir Starmer has done a very good job internationally, and as for the King, this is literally the reason we pay for the whole edifice, so he can bloody well get on with hosting the US President as he’s been born and trained to do his whole life.

There is worse than Trump in this world. He’s not so different to his predecessors, less tactful, but not that different. One thing I am grateful to Keir Starmer about is his clear recognition that waiting for the EU to stop being pointlessly bitter about our leaving is a waste of time. Pragmatism should rule the day. The EU cannot get its act together when there is a war that threatens its very existence in its doorstep.

Investing in the UK?? We have lost £2 B of pharma investment as a direct result of Labour. That's 1000s of jobs and millions of tax revenue lost.
Unemployment and youth unemployment up

To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day
To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day
bombastix · 17/09/2025 16:37

All I can say to our anti Trump, anti US crowd is that I do not see any other country that is investing in the UK at such a rate, not such a powerful one, nor one with such an extensive military capability. I would say these are big advantages compared to the EU who are going to get nothing like this. Keir Starmer has done a very good job internationally, and as for the King, this is literally the reason we pay for the whole edifice, so he can bloody well get on with hosting the US President as he’s been born and trained to do his whole life.

There is worse than Trump in this world. He’s not so different to his predecessors, less tactful, but not that different. One thing I am grateful to Keir Starmer about is his clear recognition that waiting for the EU to stop being pointlessly bitter about our leaving is a waste of time. Pragmatism should rule the day. The EU cannot get its act together when there is a war that threatens its very existence in its doorstep.

PauseOMen · 17/09/2025 12:55

The effort that has gone into this state visit is ridiculous. Trump is a disgrace. Sickening to see Royalty/ the UK bowing down to him like this.

randomchap · 17/09/2025 12:48

Iwantmyoldnameback · 17/09/2025 12:44

Sadly, very sadly, since we left EEC we need the trade deals.

Yep, he's having to deal with the realities of being outside a massive trading block.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 17/09/2025 12:44

PauseOMen · 17/09/2025 12:01

Ahh bless Keir Starmer, he doesn’t want the crowds to BOO President, Paedophile, Rapist Trump. if the crowds BOO Trump then Keir will lose the deal/ contract behind all of this and his reputation will be completely ruined.

In years to come, people will look back on this and see how weak the leadership in the UK. Shame on Starmer and his cruddy Labour Party. And shame on the Royals for welcoming Trump into Windsor!

Camilla couldn’t attend the Duchess of Kent Funeral but makes a remarkable recovery to attend this shit show.

We can’t upset President, Paedophile, Rapist Trump now can we.

Fucking outrageous!

Sadly, very sadly, since we left EEC we need the trade deals.

PauseOMen · 17/09/2025 12:01

Ahh bless Keir Starmer, he doesn’t want the crowds to BOO President, Paedophile, Rapist Trump. if the crowds BOO Trump then Keir will lose the deal/ contract behind all of this and his reputation will be completely ruined.

In years to come, people will look back on this and see how weak the leadership in the UK. Shame on Starmer and his cruddy Labour Party. And shame on the Royals for welcoming Trump into Windsor!

Camilla couldn’t attend the Duchess of Kent Funeral but makes a remarkable recovery to attend this shit show.

We can’t upset President, Paedophile, Rapist Trump now can we.

Fucking outrageous!

twistyizzy · 17/09/2025 09:22

With Labour there's always a tweet. Starmer should heed his own advice.

To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day
Goldenbear · 17/09/2025 08:40

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/09/2025 07:59

Eh? The climate emergency/crisis has been the drumbeat of the last 20 years. We have made a lot of stupid, emotional moves be cause of it too.

If the Leader of the Green Party, which was Caroline Lucas for a long time, had been given as much media coverage as Nigel has recently, then perhaps this would have helped the Green Party in disseminating their message and consequently their support in the polls. After all, Nigel Farage has been on the political scene with his 'patriotism' in all its forms for decades but his party has only really gained traction now!

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 08:08

TeenagersAngst · 17/09/2025 07:11

He really is not much better than Rishi Sunak. And Rachel Reeves is a whole lot worse than Jeremy Hunt who had started to stabilise the economy. Growth was starting to take place at the end of the Conservative government.

What she has done since is terrible.

Sunak was better and made accurate predictions on what would happen with Labour

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