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I think I've lost a friend because I encouraged her to divorce her husband, but I don't think we were wrong?

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GelatinousDynamo · 15/09/2025 13:30

I'm 100% sure that my friend is not on MN, but have changed details just in case.

She is 49, and for the past three years she has lived alone after her divorce.

Her marriage was far from easy: her husband was just an unpleasant, critical person. He often belittled her appearance (constant "fat jokes"), her cooking, her spending—almost every aspect of her daily life, even in public and amongst friends. He would belittle her in front of everyone and we have all witnessed it. While their kid was at home, she endured it, but once they moved out, the constant criticism became unbearable (this is what she told us when she decided to divorce him).

We've met this weekend ("we" being a group of friends who have known each other for a long time, we meet 5-6 times a year). We've all had a few drinks and then suddenly she seemed to have this meltdown... Basically, she blames us for her divorce. She kept crying about how she now has to carry all responsibilities alone, how lonely she's been. She says that her husband was not a cruel man, that at least he was faithful and that it's our fault that she's all alone now. Said that we should have advised caution, why no one suggested that imperfection is part of every marriage, suggested that we wanted to see her suffer because we were jealous (of what?). That we weren't her real friends, because real friends would not have wished her unhappy and lonely.

I was completely shocked, I didn't expect it. Before divorce, she was active on some boards on FB and saw a therapist (her husband refused counselling so she went on her own). She kept telling us how clear it's become to her, that she was in a toxic relationship, that his behaviour was a form of abuse. We all agreed that she should not accept such treatment. Her therapist never encouraged her to leave him, but the message was consistent: she was being denied the acceptance everyone deserves. I still have her messages from that period, this is what she shared with us at the time. Her expectation was that she would be happier and freer if she left.

After the separation, she seemed really happy. I guess that changed and none of us noticed.

On Saturday, she went home after her outburst, left our WhatsApp group and seems to have blocked us. She obviously blames us for her decisions, but AIBU to think that she's the only one responsible for how her life has turned out? The decision to divorce was ultimately hers, she chose to leave, she signed the papers, she acted. We just stood by her, held her hand and yes, maybe we have encouraged her, but it's surely not our fault that things haven't turned out as she imagined?

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Owly11 · 15/09/2025 18:51

She is totally out of order. She will probably regret what she has said to you all. Getting divorced was her choice. She is lonely and looking back with rose tinted glasses. Keep away from her and look after yourself.

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 18:51

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 18:39

People should be so careful who they take advice from and should never, ever make life-altering decisions based on other people’s opinions. And people should be so careful in advising anyone what to do, or what decisions to make. It can end so badly. I’d never involve myself in anyone’s marriage; no one really has the full picture but the two people involved.

’Friends’ are often keenly interested and invested when the drama is unfolding, but rarely want to stick around to offer support in the aftermath. I’ve seen this when marriages end, when people would like support during illnesses - friends you might imagine would be there for support drift away afterwards once they realise there’s no payoff for them, the drama is over, nothing they stand to gain by remaining involved or it might require some effort in their part.

This woman was swayed by her friends, made a decision she regrets and because she’s let them know this, they don’t particularly want to stick around. So he’s left with no marriage and no friends. Shame.

She was saying her relationship was toxic though. She wasn’t influenced to say that, she said that.

I come from a toxic family, when it broke down I can’t imagine I would have ever put it back on someone who had supported me at that difficult time that I made the choice to go NC. Adults make choices that have consequences and yes leaving behind abusive relationships comes with enormous grief but trying to lay that at someone else’s door is awful.

user892734543544 · 15/09/2025 18:49

I feel really sorry for her and if a friend of mine had a meltdown like this I'd be contacting them to let them know I'm not upset with them and they should come to me when they are able.

Why are you upset at her? I understand her words were lashing out but it's all down to her own misery. I'd worry my friend would do something stupid if cut off from everyone and couldn't live with myself if I just left them to it.

When I say friend though I mean friend, and not someone I just know. I love my friends like my family.

GelatinousDynamo · 15/09/2025 18:46

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 18:39

People should be so careful who they take advice from and should never, ever make life-altering decisions based on other people’s opinions. And people should be so careful in advising anyone what to do, or what decisions to make. It can end so badly. I’d never involve myself in anyone’s marriage; no one really has the full picture but the two people involved.

’Friends’ are often keenly interested and invested when the drama is unfolding, but rarely want to stick around to offer support in the aftermath. I’ve seen this when marriages end, when people would like support during illnesses - friends you might imagine would be there for support drift away afterwards once they realise there’s no payoff for them, the drama is over, nothing they stand to gain by remaining involved or it might require some effort in their part.

This woman was swayed by her friends, made a decision she regrets and because she’s let them know this, they don’t particularly want to stick around. So he’s left with no marriage and no friends. Shame.

You're being very judgemental here, and obviously trying to project something? No one "swayed" anyone. We've just been with her all the way through her separation and divorce, she wanted us there. She asked our opinions, she wanted us to get involved and to be there for her. Of course we supported her decisions. But they were HER decisions, she's not some naïve little lamb who was unwillingly led to unhappiness by a bunch of drama-hungry onlookers.

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BarbarasRhabarberba · 15/09/2025 18:45

Well, I disagree with other replies. I think she can go fuck herself.

Jinglejanglebojangle · 15/09/2025 18:44

After she separated have you and your friends been supportive and around her? A long time ago a few of my friends encouraged me to split up from a toxic relationship with a drug addict. It was the right decision but as soon as we split up my friends disappeared and I weren't supportive/around and I was really lonely and found that period really hard. At the time I felt like they had disliked my partner and encouraged me to do split to get at him, which probably wasn't true but it felt a bit like I'd been abandoned by them at a very difficult point in my life. I have different friends now!

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 18:39

People should be so careful who they take advice from and should never, ever make life-altering decisions based on other people’s opinions. And people should be so careful in advising anyone what to do, or what decisions to make. It can end so badly. I’d never involve myself in anyone’s marriage; no one really has the full picture but the two people involved.

’Friends’ are often keenly interested and invested when the drama is unfolding, but rarely want to stick around to offer support in the aftermath. I’ve seen this when marriages end, when people would like support during illnesses - friends you might imagine would be there for support drift away afterwards once they realise there’s no payoff for them, the drama is over, nothing they stand to gain by remaining involved or it might require some effort in their part.

This woman was swayed by her friends, made a decision she regrets and because she’s let them know this, they don’t particularly want to stick around. So he’s left with no marriage and no friends. Shame.

MysteryNameChange · 15/09/2025 18:38

Recovery after an abusive relationship is hard, long and complicated. I'd reach out.

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 18:35

Very immature people use unjustified blame as a coping mechanism. She is very immature. Yes she is lonely but that can be remedied by finding activities she enjoys and filling up her days. She seems to lack any accountability for poor choices she makes.

CopperWhite · 15/09/2025 18:30

She’s lonely and hurting and a drunken outburst at her closest friends should be forgivable.

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 18:27

She listened to you all, made a decision she regrets and now wishes she hadn’t.

But - no one forced her to take your opinions on board, or make the decision to divorce him. It’s unfortunate, but ultimately she made her choice, even if she now regrets it.

JHound · 15/09/2025 18:24

Tigerthatcameforbrunch · 15/09/2025 15:42

I left a toxic relationship. One of the things no one prepares you for is the loneliness once it's over. All those people who were supportive and encouraged me to end it suddenly disappeared because the problem was "over". I went for months wishing I had my ex back just to have some (any) company in the evenings.

All my friends and family got on with their lives, once we split up and I was left trying to find ways to fill my time. If I'd realised their support was going to end as soon as I closed the door on the relationship I probably wouldn't have done it.

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You would prefer the toxic relationship?

Driftingawaynow · 15/09/2025 18:04

Sounds like she is having a period of v poor mental health to push you all away so aggressively when she feels so lonely. Ultimately she needs to do some work on herself and you don’t have to accept anyone speaking like that to you.

BauhausOfEliott · 15/09/2025 17:55

She's probably lonely, which is hard, and looking back through rose-tinted glasses at what sounds like a shit-show of a marriage. But that's no excuse for blaming all this on other people. She's an adult woman who needs to take responsibility for her own actions and decisions. You told her what you thought of her husband, sure, and you were supportive of her leaving - but she wasn't obliged to divorce him. She's being absolutely ridiculous, and also cutting off her nose to spite her face because now she's ditched her closest friends, she's going to be a lot more lonely than ever.

Do you think there's a chance she's getting back with her ex-husband? Just wondering if that's what's triggered all this...

Chazbots · 15/09/2025 17:41

I think tho you don't like who she is now and feel aggrieved about her lack of support for you, so this friendship boat has sailed...

saraclara · 15/09/2025 17:36

Waiting for an apology is pointless.

As others have said, she's desperately lonely, grieving what she had, and regretting her choices. It's not your fault, but she's in a terrible place right now.

She's probably also mortified about her meltdown, now. And she'll recognise that she's going to be even lonelier, having cut you off.

So yes, when you meet up with the others, try not to wind each other up about how she behaved and how unfair it was and how angry you are. Bring the temperature down and recognise that although you didn't deserve it, she wasn't herself.

MoominMai · 15/09/2025 17:29

Pollqueen · 15/09/2025 14:46

She's grieving and sounds like she has reached the anger stage so is lashing out. Obvioualy enabled by alcohol. If you are a true friend, you'll understand this and remain there for her.

You certainly shouldn't be waiting on an apology. I'd wait a few days and then pop a card in the post

💯 this.

If OP was there to support friend to leave this toxic relationship at the start then this is the latter part of the journey to independence that friend also needs to support with.

I can so relate as I have no family/friends network here and stayed a little longer in my last toxic relationship because the payoff was so bittersweet - away from his constant accusations of cheating and paranoia including spying on my whereabouts but at the same time knowing I’d be flung right back into isolation with my social life taking a deep dive into the abyss and back to spending all Christmases and birthdays alone. Your friend is going through it and hopefully you will be there for her and not make this as a PP said about making it dependant on an apology from her.

Skybluepinky · 15/09/2025 17:26

She is lonely, often people will stick with someone just bcos they don’t want be by themselves, so is now thinking that would have been preferable.

GelatinousDynamo · 15/09/2025 17:17

When I look back, she used to be one of those girls who could never stay single for more than a week. Then she met her (now ex) husband and got married - he was handsome, wealthy and reliable (and even back then, a judgemental jerk), and she wanted a baby.

So you might all be right that from her perspective, those were probably very lonely three years, she seems not to have "hit the dating scene" like she's imagined. So, if I muster all my reserves of empathy, then yes, I do feel sorry for her. But I'm also hurt, and being called a jealous bitch didn't help. I was there for her shortly after my mother died, and forgave her for being so self-centred at the time because she obviously had a lot going on. But now I can't help but think back on it and regret that I got so involved in her life (with plenty of invitation).

I haven't spoken to the other two yet.

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maowmaow · 15/09/2025 17:04

ACatNamedRobin · 15/09/2025 13:33

I think two things can be true.
She was in a toxic relationship.
She's very lonely since out of it.

Not your fault though.

Yep, this nails it

GelatinousDynamo · 15/09/2025 16:49

Tigerthatcameforbrunch · 15/09/2025 15:42

I left a toxic relationship. One of the things no one prepares you for is the loneliness once it's over. All those people who were supportive and encouraged me to end it suddenly disappeared because the problem was "over". I went for months wishing I had my ex back just to have some (any) company in the evenings.

All my friends and family got on with their lives, once we split up and I was left trying to find ways to fill my time. If I'd realised their support was going to end as soon as I closed the door on the relationship I probably wouldn't have done it.

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Thank for sharing your experience. I think there might be some truth to it.
It's not that we have disappeared after her divorce, it's more that contact went back to how it used to be before it happened... She might have felt abandoned, I guess, after the intensive period where we've all rallied around her. I can only speak for myself, but to me it felt like a switch "back to normal".

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MindTheAbyss · 15/09/2025 16:46

OK, it’s cheesy, but this scene from Ted Lasso, between Rebecca and Ted, jumped to mind. Perhaps your friend is acting out as she’s in pain, trying to cope with freedom after years of extreme control?

FOJN · 15/09/2025 15:55

GelatinousDynamo · 15/09/2025 14:29

Maybe I'm also being ruled by emotions, but I feel like we deserve an apology. I don't think I could write her a supportive letter as things stand now.

I would say she's blocked you because she's embarrassed about her outburst and wants to avoid the humiliation of seeing you all again.

You are not responsible for how her life turned out but sometimes we behave unreasonably when we're in pain. I understand you feel hurt by her behaviour too but I think right now she's lonely and needs friends more than ever.

Give it a week or two and see if you feel able to send her a note then.

pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 15:52

She's blocked the OP. I don't think I'd be reaching out or heading around there to visit her. She knows where OP is if she has second thoughts and wants contact but it's pretty clear she doesn't want contact right now and isn't ready to take responsibility for her own choices. I'd wait it out and test the waters in a couple of months if she's not resurfaced. You don't have to accepting any blame when you do, just check in on her to see how she's feeling and keep things at that level until she's ready for a less blinkered reflection on it all.

SunnyDolly · 15/09/2025 15:45

This screams like a massive cry for help. If you do love this friend, reach out and make sure she’s okay.