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Angry my manager has taken away WFH perk?

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ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 01:09

Am I unreasonable to be angry that my manager has taken away my wfh perk whilst I’m on maternity?

I have put in a proposed flexible work plan.

I used to do Tuesday - Thursday on site and Friday morning at home.

I requested to do less hours so I can drop the kids off to school and pick them up and keep my wfh Friday morning hours.

He’s rejected it and basically cornered me into just doing Tuesday- Thursday on site but I don’t want to reduce my hours too much so I’ve had to add an hour in the morning which means rushing my kids to breakfast club and nursery.

I am annoyed because on my last maternity 6 years ago, I applied for another job in another department which guaranteed wfh and my manager promised me more flexibility and wfh when I able to to keep me in his team.

But I feel like he’s used this maternity as an excuse to take it away from me. It’s not in my contract, it was an agreement between me and him.

What would you do? I feel like emailing him to say I am disappointed in him. Not many of our team like him but I used to rate him quite highly on the surveys etc because he always let me be. But I am really disappointed. I should have gone to the other team.

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ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 16:12

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 15/09/2025 15:14

Then he's not self-employed.

He's an employee of an umbrella company (likely PSR) as he will be deemed inside IR35 as per off-payroll hires.

Or he's an employee of a consultancy.

HMRC will not touch Schedule D contractors.

I think you don't understand employment contracts in detail or in spirit.

His, or yours.

He has a limited company so he’s employed by “his own company” and he’s outside IR35.
He’s a contractor for a lender who HMRC use.
He’s been there a while.

Mortgage lenders class him as self employed so 🤷🏽‍♀️.

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ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 16:10

missmollygreen · 15/09/2025 15:37

No wonder the rest of the team dislike him and you do/did.

He is probably worried they will think you are getting even more preferential treatment and it will cause him even more grief.

The rest of the team have on site roles with no wfh options… unless you take the equipment home (which you can’t). My role can be wfh as I check paperwork. If I applied elsewhere, the role would most likely hybrid. If they applied elsewhere, they would still be on site. Hence why no ones really questioned why I wfh… that I know of.

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missmollygreen · 15/09/2025 15:37

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 01:41

He CC’ed HR into the emails replies from himself when I only approached him so they are aware and he’s covered his back.

I am the only person with this perk - rest of team don’t have this perk even when they have requested.

I am not sure what HR can do when it’s an agreement -between me and him and it’s not in my contract.

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No wonder the rest of the team dislike him and you do/did.

He is probably worried they will think you are getting even more preferential treatment and it will cause him even more grief.

pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 15:17

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 15:13

HR haven’t backed him up. They haven’t replied nor would they argue his point. They don’t really know how it would affect our team. Whatever he says goes.

Oh sorry, you said they will not they already had - HR will side with him as he’s arguing it’s business needs - but I guess it amounts to the same thing.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 15/09/2025 15:14

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 11:18

He works for the HMRC. He’s a contractor for them…

Then he's not self-employed.

He's an employee of an umbrella company (likely PSR) as he will be deemed inside IR35 as per off-payroll hires.

Or he's an employee of a consultancy.

HMRC will not touch Schedule D contractors.

I think you don't understand employment contracts in detail or in spirit.

His, or yours.

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 15:13

pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 14:59

OP has gone into all this, about a recent inspection, detriment to the business, and all that side of things which HR has backed the manager up on. She's also said she doesn't know what this side-bar argument is about and has resolved the matter with the manager in a satisfactory way for them both, so I'm not sure why it's going on. Nor why I'm reading it tbh, but carry on it you're enjoying arguing the toss...

HR haven’t backed him up. They haven’t replied nor would they argue his point. They don’t really know how it would affect our team. Whatever he says goes.

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pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 14:59

lalalalalala2024 · 15/09/2025 14:51

@Rosscameasdoodyhe absolutely does need to give a statutory reason as to why she can no longer work from home on Fridays when she did that previously. There is only 8 reasons why he can decline this.

OP has gone into all this, about a recent inspection, detriment to the business, and all that side of things which HR has backed the manager up on. She's also said she doesn't know what this side-bar argument is about and has resolved the matter with the manager in a satisfactory way for them both, so I'm not sure why it's going on. Nor why I'm reading it tbh, but carry on it you're enjoying arguing the toss...

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 14:58

DramaLlamacchiato · 15/09/2025 14:09

You don’t have to give a reason for your request. They have to give a reason for the refusal.

According to the template on the .gov website, I do.

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ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 14:58

Rosscameasdoody · 15/09/2025 14:08

The wfh half day isn’t in the contract - it was a private arrangement between herself and her manager. OP asked for reduced hours so of course they’re going to look at the wfh before reducing further the hours spent in the office.

The half day is in the contract. What isn’t in the contract is that is wfh - I agreed that with him.

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lalalalalala2024 · 15/09/2025 14:51

@Rosscameasdoodyhe absolutely does need to give a statutory reason as to why she can no longer work from home on Fridays when she did that previously. There is only 8 reasons why he can decline this.

DramaLlamacchiato · 15/09/2025 14:09

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 09:23

Why is childcare not seen as a good reason to change the hours? Who do people expect to pick up and drop off children?? I don’t understand? I was being honest.
My hours have to change because I now have to factor in picking up and dropping off my baby which is in a different location to my eldest schools.
Otherwise I would have kept what I had.

Should I have not used that as a reason? As I had to give a reason based on the government website.

You don’t have to give a reason for your request. They have to give a reason for the refusal.

Rosscameasdoody · 15/09/2025 14:08

LIZS · 15/09/2025 13:30

Surely by starting earlier you still have to rush dc to breakfast club, so not sure what that would gain. Your wfh half day was never a “perk”. Do they need you on site Tues-Thurs or could you wfh for any of that? Are others in office ft?

The wfh half day isn’t in the contract - it was a private arrangement between herself and her manager. OP asked for reduced hours so of course they’re going to look at the wfh before reducing further the hours spent in the office.

Rosscameasdoody · 15/09/2025 14:04

lalalalalala2024 · 15/09/2025 13:51

What statutory reason has he given you for declining Fridays ?

He doesn’t need to give a statutory reason. The employer is under no obligation to accommodate OP’s request if it hampers the running of the business - which is why her manager has offered an alternative. She has applied to reduce her hours. Of course the employer is going to look at stopping her WFH hours rather than further reducing the time she spends in the office. All he has to show is that the hours OP has requested are not convenient to the operational needs of the business. OP opened the door to the change. If she’s not happy with it she can always withdraw the request and go back to the previous arrangement.

Rosscameasdoody · 15/09/2025 14:00

SanctusInDistress · 15/09/2025 13:49

After 6 years, a perk is no longer a perk and can be seen as legally binding and to take it off could be seen as a change in contract. Get legal advice and Google ‘Custom and practice’.

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Custom and practice doesn’t apply. OP herself has opened the door to her working hours being changed because she has applied to reduce her hours. The employer is well within their rights to refuse if the reduced hours cause operational problems, and to provide an alternative, which is what they have done here. Equally, OP is within her rights to withdraw the request and stick to the previous arrangements.

lalalalalala2024 · 15/09/2025 13:51

What statutory reason has he given you for declining Fridays ?

SanctusInDistress · 15/09/2025 13:49

After 6 years, a perk is no longer a perk and can be seen as legally binding and to take it off could be seen as a change in contract. Get legal advice and Google ‘Custom and practice’.

LIZS · 15/09/2025 13:30

Surely by starting earlier you still have to rush dc to breakfast club, so not sure what that would gain. Your wfh half day was never a “perk”. Do they need you on site Tues-Thurs or could you wfh for any of that? Are others in office ft?

tachetastic · 15/09/2025 13:14

I think this is an excellent example of why we have employment contracts. Too many times I have seen managers, often well-intended, promise additional flexibility/over-time/promotion prospects if a team member doesn’t take another job and, without exception, these perks (which often contravene company policy anyway) fall away after a few months once the alternative prospect is no longer available and their panic averted.

I’m really sorry OP and hope you are able to maintain your previous working practice but next time take the job with benefits in writing and not the one with benefits in your manager’s promises. That and kick up a stink with HR if you don’t think it will make your position even worse.

MILLYmo0se · 15/09/2025 13:04

I'm not sure I'm reading it properly, so to be clear....
You asked to reduce your hours which would mean coming in late and leaving early your 3 in office days and working your normal WFH 4 hours on Friday. He says it doesn't suit for you to be coming late and leaving early but has offered to go back to your original contracted hours of t/w/th and not doing the extra Friday hours you d taken on since.
If it's us the case it's nothing to do with perks being taken away while on maternity, you requested the reduction of hours and he's given you the option that suit the c

FcukBreastCancer · 15/09/2025 12:50

FcukBreastCancer · 15/09/2025 12:47

I went all the way to ACAS with my issue regarding change of conditions when I was on maternity leave. Maternity action are also helpful

It ddidn't get to tribunal as I was able to submit a formal grievance, then appeal the change and won.

Are you in a union?

Although I'm now unclear what you actually asked for 😅

pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 12:49

JimmyGiraffe · 15/09/2025 12:47

So what would your ideal arrangement be? I haven't been able to work this out?

Surely her ideal would be the hours that she asked for:

8:30 - 3:30
8:30 - 2:30
8:30 - 4:30
9 - 11:30 (wfh)

But that didn't work for the co - if she'd reduced her office hours Tues-Thurs like that, they wanted her in the office on Fri too. At least with the arrangement they've now come to, she gets the full Friday off.

JimmyGiraffe · 15/09/2025 12:47

ZaHaK · 15/09/2025 10:52

I used to like to do my mundane tasks on Friday, like date inputs, plan for the week ahead etc. it was really helpful as on Thursday, as the team knew they wouldn’t see me until Tuesday, they used to bombard with work so the mundane tasks would get put back and pile up. The Friday morning really helped my start the week properly the following week without having the rest of the team talking to me.

So what would your ideal arrangement be? I haven't been able to work this out?

FcukBreastCancer · 15/09/2025 12:47

I went all the way to ACAS with my issue regarding change of conditions when I was on maternity leave. Maternity action are also helpful

It ddidn't get to tribunal as I was able to submit a formal grievance, then appeal the change and won.

Are you in a union?

JimmyGiraffe · 15/09/2025 12:44

TATT2 · 15/09/2025 07:14

So you wanted to reduce your working hours by cutting your hours each day, but instead you now have Friday off instead of a 1/2 day WFH?
It seems he has accomodated your reduced hours, but not exactly the way you wanted.
So not a case of using your maternity leave to fleece you at all. You requested a change, otherwise you'd still be WFH on Fridays. It's not like he's now making you go into office on Fridays.
You can't have everything you want, all of the time.
Apologies if I've misunderstoid.
You could just not change your hours and look for a more flexible job?

This is also my interpretation

SirHumphreyRocks · 15/09/2025 12:22

spoonbillstretford · 15/09/2025 12:14

I clarified this later. OP was asking about whether WFH could be take away and I answered this. I then added a clarification on the flexible working request.

But as I correctly stated, it was always still possible, even without her asking to change her contract, that wfh might be removed and legally so. It could have been, even if deemed to be contractual due to custom and practice; and the only way to test it if enforced would have been a tribunal. Unfortunatelt "fire and hire" has become much more commonly used recently, even though the power was always there, and a number of employers have used it to change such terms. Few people are prepared to risk their entire employment over wfh for a few hours.

I am sure that you will be aware that what is "fair" and what is "fair in law" are vastly different things.