Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

Occam's razor would suggest there's a lot of plastic grass around.

Excellent post. Thanks for speaking the truth. It really does need to be heard.

I also worry we will get Reform government, which will be helpful for no one. But in a vacuum of discontent, misinformation and extremism thrives.
Vast numbers are disconnected across all areas of society , WC people who feel they can't get support/housing/jobs, the 'squeezed middle' who feel they are working harder and harder for very little benefit to their families, 'higher earners' who feel penalised by an increasing tax burden.

I don't think the underacheivement of white working class boys is due to racism, otherwise it would also apply to white girls too. It's a much wider issue around curriculum suitability, reduced ambition, gender roles changing and adjusting to that and probably a whole range of other reasons.

But to say that no white person has ever been on receiving end of racism is untrue, however it's not well reported on or publicised for fear of being shot down with 'you can't experience racism, your white' type comments. It's like pretending something doesn't exist will make it go away.

My husbands family are Irish, and they experienced significant racism when moved to England 'no blacks, no Irish' signs were commonplace. And discrimination can occur within people of same skin colour but different ethnic origins - Ireland for example remains quite insular in rural areas, with people from outside Ireland excluded from jobs, certain areas etc, the attacks of eastern European immigrants in Northern Ireland.

People go on the attack when they either feel superior/untouchable, or when they feel inferior/threatened/scared as a defense mechanism. My daughter received racist abuse because families in her class were scared she would 'corrupt' them - as a 5 year old wearing shorts in summer she was called 'white trash' 'slutty' etc and children whose families believed girls should be fully covered wouldn't play with her, even when weather got cooler and she was more covered again.

Please don't scold the OP. Part of what she is objecting to is forced teaming and opinions coming as a package.

I just re- read your OP and noted the stuff about trans people.

YANBU at all in what you are saying about white people and their praise of CK who was a racist man.

It’s really disappointing to see your comments / prejudice about trans people.

Oh hold on - I see this thread is a hit and run by OP.

Got it.

And completely ignored the violent attacks and threats there have been against Democrat politicians.

I asked you to show me a pattern of white people being dismissed by racist POC. I would expect you do to this by listing individuals this had happened to, but because I asked for a pattern, I would expect you to be able to list significant enough numbers for it to be a pattern. Or if that would be too laborious, then the statistics showing the numbers of cases would suffice.
I strongly suspect we may get a Reform government, but that the reason for that will be the failure of successive governments to address class and wealth inequality, leading to a rightfully discontented WC, who have been thrown scapegoats to hide the real cause of their disadvantage. This worries me.
If you want me to also worry about anti white racism, you need to prove to me it exists. A start would be your evidence that white WC boys underachievement is caused by being white in an anti white society.

What would the possible context be that would make those remarks acceptable? Unless you are suggesting he didn't say those things?

Where did I saw the killing of George Floyd was acceptable? I clearly said that both killings were wrong

The point was that both were people who seem to have been martyred in death, and any conversations about their actions prior to being killed seem to be being silenced in the name of 'respecting the dead'. And that it's possible to both show respect to a person/their family and disagree with their views or actions. Although some comments (not yours) on this thread seems to show otherwise.

I think that's a sly dig.

You'll be on the wrong side of history one day.

Hello all the raped and trafficked white girls from Rotherham are outcomes of anti white racism! Same with all the white candidates who weren't hired by the RAF or police because they are white
You now seem to be asking for me to name individuals who have been harmed when before you explicitly asked for socital harms, so which do you want?
You can try and dismiss/ignore the harms of anti white racism to socital cohesion all you want but you do so at the peril of everyone, when the inevitable backlash happens and we get a reform government dont say we didn't warn you

So, can you explain why you are linking the views of a black woman in the UK and those who agree with her that CK was racist, with the circumstances that caused the death of a white man at the hands of another white man?

Wtf are you asking me that when I did nothing of the sort, but the OP literally started a whole thread about it?

Well he was a white supremacist. Too bad he was shot but I don't think his views were great l.

I think people like that are impervious to facts.

So 2 people? Whilst I disagree with them, 2 people is hardly indicative of the 'left celebrating' his murder.

Look at the comments of Biden, Obama, Harris, Starmer et al - all of them condemned the attack.

Whilst Trump and Musk tweeted crap like 'The left is a party of murder' and 'this is left violence'.

Most of your post is conflating actions with outcomes. I asked you for evidence of harm (outcomes), not for actions you believe will cause harm.
The only outcomes you have mentioned are people being removed from college courses and dismissed from jobs. Forgive me if I don't simply accept your word for it, there has been a great deal of confusion of opinion and evidenced fact on these threads, so can you provide proof of a pattern of behaviour of white people being dismissed as a result of the racism of POC?
The achievements of white working class boys is also an outcome. But again, can you provide me with the evidence that links their poorer outcomes to their being white, and bring rooted in racism against them, as oppose to being rooted in social class and wealth inequality for example?

I gave you names and you dismissed them but here's some
Here's the article about the councilor
Councillor resigns after sparking fury over Charlie Kirk post https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15088951/Councillor-resigns-sparking-fury-Charlie-Kirk-post-saying-brought-assassination-himself.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

And the one about bob vylon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/14/bob-vylan-inciting-pogrom-amsterdam-charlie-kirk-idf/

Then theres people like Sophie Molly and those who are being sacked left right and center but no you demand that I go trolling through blue-sky and list off the names of everyone who is celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk but that's ok because I asked for evidence of anything racist that he said instead of taking your word for it, even after I explained why that evidence was needed.
So no not irony just me not being willing to engage further with disingenuous posters like yourself

What the hell is this utter poison you are spouting.

White victims get way more attention that victims of colour - why do you think it is that all the most famous missing children cases of white children, whereas the majority of children who actually go missing are black and brown? Look at how much coverage the terrible case of Sara Everard and how much publicity and outrage there was.

If your argument that racism only works one way rests on your speculation as to what would be the case in a scenario that has not occurred, then you should not expect to garner much support, other than from the choir you're preaching to. Views are changed with proof and evidence. Do you have any proof that racism only works one way? Or are we once again failing to understand the difference between opinion and fact?

This is hysterical!😆

It's absolutely a race crime.

Not a popular profile of a victim. The liberal left like black and brown victims to flex their virtue signalling. In fact, the liberal left like black and brown perpetrators too - they'll soon find excuses for them.

It's very uncool to be white. That video should be all over Mumsnet with rage from posters. But oh no. Let's keep having these "white bashing" threads rammed down our throats. And still the liberals will get on their knees to be whipped

There has literally been evidence posted here showing this is not true but also the CCTV has no sound.
The claims of what he said have been created on social media.

Ok socital harms just a few for you
Rotherham and all those "white trash" little girls who were labelled as prostitutes etc (quote from a police report).
The RAF's illegal positive discrimination hiring practices, same with the police system for hiring and advancement.
The two teir policing of the internet.
The way casual anti white racism is excused.
The one way colour blind casting of only white historical figures.
The denigrating of British history.
The rewriting of history to falsely claim that the British started the slave trade/transatlantic slave trade both lies (slavery goes back atleast as far as ancient mesopatainia (sp) and the Portuguese started the transatlantic slave trade and the Spanish expanded it).
I could go on but it would take to long but when people can and are fired and kicked off collage courses for disagreeing with enforced critical race theory training or the horrific micro aggression racism of saying happy Christmas to a non Christian and white working class boys do worst in education there's a huge problem with the harms of anti white racism.
The fact that you want to change the agreed meaning of racism to excuse anti white racism and push the racist critical race theory and are being enabled to do so is also harmful to all in society both white and people of colour as it speaks hate and encourages devision