Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

Bang on. Love the huffing and puffing, pseudo outrage and protestations that follow 🤣

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

I have never stated that OP's point isn't valid. Her view is based on her experiences and of course is valid.

But some on this thread seem to insist that only 1 perspective/1 person or groups lived experience is valid and all others are incorrect. It's this sort of burying head in sand perspective to refuse to acknowledge that multiple people can experience something which has led to the awful rise of Reform. I absolutely hate everything they stand for and think they would be terrible for this country, but they have grown primarily because a section of society do not feel listened to or heard. Saying 'they are terrible' doesn't acheive anything though, the only thing which will stop them getting in is addressing the root causes of their rise.

You sound very angry.

Of course you're an innocent and well meaning white person. ⭐
You brought up a black on white crime for totally innocent, well meaning reasons, not to imply that black on white crime is an epidemic and part of the "oppression" of white people and perhaps even "white genocide."
As transparent as it gets.

On the George Floyd question, I'm guessing the Kirk apologists on this thread posted in support of the cops, something about one bad apple, not all cops are like that, yada yada.
They are so predictable. Wind up dolls with a set of stock excuses and rationalizations.

People rudely disagreeing with you on the internet is oppression! 😄
Here I was thinking oppression involves actual suffering, like, for example, women in Afghanistan, not the annoyance of armchair warriors on the interwebs when people are rude to them. Oh the drama.

Women are indeed oppressed, abused and exploited regardless of their race. And there are some characteristics that compound
our oppression. Being white isn't one of them.
Of all the issues white women face, racism isn't something we need to personally fear. So rather than arguing that we too are victims, maybe we should focus on listening to those whomen like the OP who actually do experience it, and how this discourse has made her feel.

I'll "reframe" it for you. Why do racist apologists paint this murdered man with nasty views in some sort of good light? He was not a good man. Many other people have been killed. Did you post loads about George Floyd? What about his family?

Interesting that you are able to describe a situation of powerful men exploiting underprivileged women and use it as an example of racism, just because the men on this occasion were not white.
What would you have called it if the rich powerful men had been white? And why does the same act morph into a different ism simply because of the race of the abusive males?

I'm still surprised by what feminists can say and not be accused of bigotry. Well respected feminists too!

I've always wanted to see a man beaten to a shit bloody pulp with a high-heeled shoe stuffed up his mouth, sort of the pig with the apple.

• Andrea Dworkin

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.

• Catherine Comins

All men are rapists and that's all they are

• Marilyn French

I feel that 'man-hating' is an honourable and viable political act

• Robin Morgan

The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.

• Sharon Stone

And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.

• Susan Griffin

If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.

• Mary Daly

Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies.

• Andrea Dworkin

The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.

• Sandy Miller Gearhart

There remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex.

• Valerie Solanas

Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.

• Germaine Greer

I don't think she is saying its an issue which solely affects white women, she is saying it's an issue which also affects white women, in response to the assertion that white women are never the victims of racism.

Women of every colour are victims of racism, sexism and many other 'isms'. Sexism is often silenced in the name of racism - people being called racist for daring to condemn the horrific way women are treated in some cultures, and it then gets allowed to continue as many don't dare speak against it. If we can't stand together then the opinions of people like Charlie Kirk thrive. If we are confident in ourselves and each other his words become empty.

And brains.

Sadly it is real.

Apparently it's a big plus if the woman has an Instagram following as it adds to the fantasy of degrading 'a white whore'.

No offence but it sounds like you're minimising it by saying 'the odd woman'. Unless you've found some statistics on it, which I'm guessing isn't the case as you wouldn't be questioning whether it really happens. I mean, we could say the odd woman gets murdered every year in the UK.

There's defo a power imbalance. That Ukrainian girl who flew out for one recently was found by the roadside with a broken spine/broken limbs - couldn't even speak for ages and now in a wheelchair. Apparently also a cut on her head which some reports said was consistent with somebody having tried to scalp her.

However, details are a bit shady and it's suggested she may have been paid off. The Dubai government apparently paid her extremely expensive medical bills and then claimed she'd wandered onto a construction site and fallen from height. However, she's now claiming it was Russians which sounds a bit convenient.

This. So.many things he was supposed to say but actually didn't.

I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before last week and so have spent time watching video clips. I want to make it clear I do not agree with all that he said. However it is very clear some people have never actually seen for themselves what he said. Stephen King and Alistair Campbell both quoted him incorrectly over gay people and have had to apologise. I have seen many gay and black people defend him, share stories about his kindness. I have seen him defend gay people being allowed in the Republican party, speak respectfully to transgender people, offer guidance to young black men. He did not deserve to be killed for his words.

I just won't be able to explain this any further. If it's the least racist example we have, keep standing behind it.

It is racist. I'm delighted black people are allowed to have basketball. Perhaps the Asians can be good at maths and the white people can wave flags at it all.

Double post again.

Lots of us have spoken up about how nasty he actually was - his death doesn't make him suddenly a good person.

I agree with this. I also don't like the brainwashing that is seemingly happening and the vilifying of people who have spoken out against his views.
I was reading about a lady who said she didn't condone his murder and that he was proof of his own speech about gun ownership and there's thousands of people calling for her to be sacked and much worse because they just jumped on one sentence and made out she wished him dead.
I didn't know he'd said that about black people, it's appalling especially when you think that his God (not that I believe) probably wasn't a white man and from the middle east. Their minds would be blown.

Exactly. Some Michelle Obama haters have even resorted to claiming she is a man. Pathetic.

Why, because you don’t have an answer for why you keep saying black people are bad?

You keep accusing the black people on that train of being racist because they didn’t intervene in a schizophrenic stabbing of a white woman. Yet the video clearly shows that when the killer left the carriage, at least two black men did run to aid the woman.

So what is your agenda? Why is it ok for you to keep accusing them of being racist but you object to that word being used to describe your words?

I have no doubt that women are exploited and trafficked around the world, especially poor
women from Eastern Europe, Africa, South East Asia.

Why do you persist in seeing this as an issue that affects solely white women?

I don't understand either OP. He was just one man with a microphone and an opinion. About everything from what I understand.

Some things I might agree with him on, but then I might also agree with something Chris Brown says, and I'd never support him, as a known abuser.

I know very little about this guy aside from his reputation as a mouthpiece, everything I've learned about him in the last few days has not been on purpose.

I'm sorry you're feeling alienated. I don't know what the answer is.

I've replied to this. I didn't realise it was you posting. I won't be engaging with you. If you reply I will not acknowledge you.

I don't believe, if you look into it (long article on BBC at the moment ) it was an active "choice" these women were poor and came from underprivileged backgrounds against very rich and powerful men, who were coercing them with money to degrade themselves. That absolutely makes them extremely vulnerable and means there's a massive power imbalance.