Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

I'm sorry, we're at the point of suggesting white people are being oppressed?!

There's no such thing as racism against white people. White people are not a minority in our society, and hold the power.

I would suggest doing some reading into white fragility, because there are posts here that are pretty much textbook demonstrations of it.

I'm sorry, we're at the point of suggesting white people are being oppressed?!

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There's no such thing as racism against white people. White people are not a minority in our society, and hold the power.

I would suggest doing some reading into white fragility, because there are posts here that are pretty much textbook demonstrations of it.

You’re wrong. And racist. But many people just don’t care any more.

These words are bandied around so often they’ve ceased to have any meaning. We’re way past people being condescended to and told to ‘educate’ themselves. People might have listened to this nonsense once, but it’s meaningless noise now.

There's no such thing as racism against white people. White people are not a minority in our society, and hold the power.

I would suggest doing some reading into white fragility, because there are posts here that are pretty much textbook demonstrations of it.

There's no such thing as racism against white people. White people are not a minority in our society, and hold the power.

I would suggest doing some reading into white fragility, because there are posts here that are pretty much textbook demonstrations of it.

What gives you the right to label white people's views as "white fragility?" You're ok with racism towards whites then clearly? Did you bother to read my post about that poor young woman or do you just pick narratives where your cause is the victimhood?

Stop calling people "cunts" : it's not big and it's not clever and it doesn't wash.

A man died that had controversial views. He was still a husband and a father and a son. Two little girls now grow up without a daddy. A young woman is widowed.

Disagreeing with someone's views is fine. Shouting the word "cunt" about a murder victim (who's crime was saying things lots of people disagreed with ) is not tasteful at all.

I meant what has THAT murder (of the young woman) got to do with this thread.

What has that murder got to do with this thread? Men brutally murder women every day all over the world (black men, white men, black wonen, white women…motivated by racial or religious hatred sometimes, by hatred for women always ) . It is always horrific and frightening.

THIS is a thread about women on Mumsnet defending a PUBLIC figure who was most very definitely a racist.

Shame on you for bringing your ‘save our women’ nonsense here.

What gives you the right to label white people's views as "white fragility?" You're ok with racism towards whites then clearly? Did you bother to read my post about that poor young woman or do you just pick narratives where your cause is the victimhood?

The white fragility on this thread is embarrassing.

OP I've been appalled by the apologists for this man on here. I'm starting to think that the bots have taken over Mumsnet, because no one with an ounce of humanity can believe he was a force for good.

I don't think anyone should be assassinated, but this is the divided world people like Kirk have created. And America has basically free access to guns, which he also defended.

“Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” If there’s an issue with racial crime, fine (although black people are more likely to be a victim of street crime than white people). But “prowling blacks”?

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.” For this one, he said he didn’t want to feel this way, but “the left” made him feel this way due to affirmative action. I’m not sure what affirmative action led to hiring unqualified pilots, but anyway. It’s also ridiculous because presumably he didn’t worry about white pilots (or white doctors or whatever) being less competent but more likely to be hired because they were white and male.

I posted this in response to a short thread on Feminism and Women’s Rights but I want more people to see it. I want to have my say, even if I’m late to the conversation, and even if most people don’t care. I don’t expect many replies but maybe I’ll make some people think about what I’m saying.

I guess none of you are black. It’s the only way you can go out of your way to highlight this man’s ’virtues’. I don’t believe anyone is born bad or is irredeemably bad, I guess that’s my Christian upbringing, but I also don’t understand the deification of this man and the need for many people on this website to paint him in the best possible light. He’s not the first public figure to be shot and killed, even this year. If those deaths were even mentioned on Mumsnet, they certainly weren’t given much attention.

I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and his death had little impact on me. I have serious issues in my own life, people are shot and killed in America every day and there is a lot of suffering going on around the world, a lot of atrocities committed. It didn’t seem to be an incident that affected me in any significant way, even when I discovered his position on transgender ideology. I share essentially the same position on transgender ideology with many people I don’t want to be associated with.

Then I read his comments about black people. I can’t wax lyrical about how Charlie Kirk was ‘decent’ and ‘respectful’. How, ‘Isn’t it nice he gave his political opponents a platform’. And I can’t feel any kind of kinship with people who, knowing what he’s said about black people, still feel compelled to highlight his good qualities.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe he should have been killed. I don’t even support the death penalty in any circumstance, so I can hardly support Charlie Kirk being killed. But I am learning, not for the first time, that Mumsnetters in general, and users of this subforum (FWR) tend to ignore black people and our concerns, until we are useful. Whether that is taking cases to court when much is made of the claimant’s ethnic heritage (why?) or the perennial ‘transgenderism is womanface, it’s offensive like blackface’.

You have no idea and I think it is possible you will never understand just how much slights about my ethnic heritage cut deep. Slights to my womanhood are pretty trivial in comparison. I think this is something white women will never understand. So, you go on singing the virtues of Charlie Kirk. We’ll be here the next time you need to exploit us for your own purposes.