Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

@BollyKnickerz
OP, was very clear in her post. I do not call myself extremely intelligent but even her title is very clear. She clearly means the people who glorify racist CK. Unless you are one of them, the post was not directed at you. I am white to the core but it never occurred that this post was aimed at me.
I am against grooming gangs regardless of their skin colour. Unless you don’t have access to news outlets, you would have seen them mentioned multiple of times ( the Asian ones) so no, people are not scared to mention them.
Also, do you know that not all Asian/Black people are immigrants? Some were actually born here.
Do you go and protest against white British men committing sex assaults?

But my issue was raising the point of the black passengers who did nothing . Surely that's a talking point ? We can't pretend it isn't because we're scared how that sounds. Our OP isn't scared of how her opinions towards white people sounds ?

And Charlie Kirk’s legacy lives on through his wife. In her speech yesterday, she was flogging tickets to the Americafest conference, for which VIP tickets sell for $800 each, where people can listen to speeches by an array of right wing and far right white men.

She also said ‘you have no idea what you have unleashed’ and told Charlie’s fans ‘You know what to do.’

Charlie would be proud.

Yep, great. So context is important then right? Because it looks like you just gave us about 3 paragraphs worth.

I just saw a poster say 'Charlie Kirk said he doesn't trust black people to fly planes' and indignantly ask if there was any context needed, with CONTEXT??!?? in capitals iirc, like you'd be craaaaazzzy to want some.

they cherry pick what they want to make weak points and when that fails they tell blatant lies.

There is no evidence the US air industry was prioritising DEI over air safety. The industry was trying to attract more black pilots by building academies in areas with a high number of black people.

Charlie Kirk and Trump cynically twisted this into the US air industry employing under qualified black pilots, which is not true.

So yes, Charlie Kirk was definitely a racist.

bollocks indeed. I hate this CRT stuff which is peddled out as received wisdom. It’s not.

I’ve seen the video, it’s hugely distressing. The poor girl was so slight and defenceless. The attack came out of the blue. The killer’s mother has said he had been violent and she had tried to get him committed to a psychiatric hospital without success. He was homeless and mentally ill.

There is a massive issue with getting adequate treatment for mental health issues. I don’t think it’s helpful to call it a racist attack when there hasn’t been a trial yet.

And some people did try to help the victim.

People aren't 'apologists' - they just don't like seeing a young, father of two shot dead in cold blood for daring to have a different opinion. It's just how any decent person would respond to such an event.

But, yes, HE is apparently what's wrong with the world...🙄

Bollocks. Racism is essentially discrimination on the basis of race. There are no qualifiers to being a victim. That's always been the dictionary definition and you can't just change it to suit your argument like a few niche ideologies seem to be trying to of late.

White people don't always hold the power. You have things like 'porta potty parties' where rich Arabs pay white western women (often eastern european sex workers) to fly over and be abused for money. Literally urinated and defecated on, hence the name. The power dynamic is strongly in favour of the rich Arabs.

There was a recent case where a white Ukrainian girl flew over to Dubai for one such party and was later found by the side of the road with a broken spine and broken limbs (now in a wheelchair). The authorities claim she entered a building site by mistake and fell from height. 🤔

Are you unfamiliar with the tactic of selecting a small part of something someone said to make it seem like they made a different point?

Very good point, well made.

Ahh, so would it be ok to not want all immigrants out for example but to protest about the ones over here committing sexual assault? Or are we too frightened to do that because they're black or Asian and may be called racist ?

So op doesn't mean all white people. We instantly must get that right or we are stupid ?

But if you protest about say asian men and grooming gangs ? You couldn't possibly fathom out that it doesn't mean one hates all Asian men ?

Hmmm...

Erm... yes context is key. Because I know next to nothing about CK but from less than 5 minutes of Googling 'what did Charlie Kirk say about black people', even I know that he wasn't saying he didn't trust black pilots. He was saying he hated DEI initiatives.

Edited to say - but as I said earlier he was definitely canny and probably phrased it that way because he knew it'd rile people up and get him clicks.

Where is the post saying “white people are all…”?
OP rightly pointed out that some posters glorify a man who was very racist and said how it makes her feel. She did not refer to “all white people”, only to the ones expressing those views.

You do realise the OP is doing the same about white people right ? Or does that not count ?

Two tier system ?

You need CONTEXT for someone saying prowling blacks and they wouldn't trust a black pilot!? What context would make the above acceptable to you, or explain it in a way that was less racist??

If a black person can boldy voice "white people are all(insert slander)" and have no qualms or fear of doing so, have no concern that their post will be removed or attacked viciously. No fear that they'll be called names such as "ignorant" "twat" "cunt" lectured and berated for daring to treat white people as one homogenous mass...

Yet a white person knows to never ever talk of "black people are all (insert slander)" and would be instantly deleted and attacked (probably banned instantly) and if any valid concerns were raised diplomatically (like a query on why 5 black people turned away from a white stab victim ) they're acutely aware they'll be jumped on and sooner or later be called "racist" or a "cunt"

That is oppression!!!!!!

@smallpinecone
Where?

Critical race theory is not fact. Perhaps you should raise your head above your books and open your eyes.

Well I have read White Fragility but came away none the wiser I'm afraid. I couldn't work out what it was trying to say other than you're damned if you do and damned if you don't (seemed like it was finding problems rather than solutions).

Back to Charlie Kirk though, what little I've heard him say wasn't very pleasant, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had warped views about black people. But I do get the impression too that he knew very well how to craft a soundbite that'd get edited and go viral on TikTok / YouTube, so who knows if he really meant the things he said.

They are.

Doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. Your version of "education" is synonymous with "brainwashing". We're wise to that kool aid now.

I'm striving for equality. You're striving and virtue signalling for oppression.

@BollyKnickerz
I must have missed the thread about that murder. When did you post it? Over the last few days I have only seen the threads about the murder of CK. There wasn’t even a threat about a school shooting which happened on the same day.

With regards to CK I agree with you OP. He was a despicable person. And I am white.

@BollyKnickerz You genuinely need to educate yourself. I am embarrassed for you.