Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

The man's ideas must continue to be debated and pushed back against. That's free speech in a free society.

Yes. But I can't quite aee what point the OP is actually making here.

The man should never have been assassinated.

The man's ideas must continue to be debated and pushed back against. That's free speech in a free society.

I am not black but I agree with you. CK's brand of 'Christianity' is certainly not mine. There has been a strong influx of posters recently who seem to confuse the holy cross with a swastika... Some might be genuine posters but I suspect many are not. There's a concerted online effort to target the UK as the next battleground for MAGA.
It's going to get rough, but bear in mind that many women like myself find CK's views and this whole fucking road to Gilead abhorrent. I've been called a 'radical' for pointing out that we should reject political violence wholesale but should definitely stand up against the toxic ideology that the man and TPUSA have been spearheading. They want us to believe they've already won. They really haven't.

OP a man has just been publicly assassinated, leaving behind a young family. It's not all about you.

He had several abhorrent opinions which I have seen far too many posters excuse/agree with.

That's not the same as people expressing sorrow for his brutal murder.

Someone can have been the victim of a brutal murder AND have had several horrible opinions. They aren't mutually exclusive.

JFK was murdered, it doesn't negate his horrible treatment of women, for one.

I know thee have been SM people celebrating, which is also vile.

Charlie was racist
Charlie hated women
Charlie wouldn't stop talking about opposing to abortion even though he's not a women and he isn't a physician.

Just because he's dead doesn't mean he was an absolute horrible person.

He was disgusting. And their are unfortunately many more like him.

I wonder if, having used the example of the NBA and black people being better at basketball as a reason to distrust DEI... Charlie then went on to discuss and really dive deep in his 'debates' into what reasons there might be for blacks being better at that sport. Something tells me he might not have done.

Don't let the truth get in your way.

It was white folks that ran to her aid when they felt it safe to do so - not the black folks in the video.

We will also ignore the fact that the killer has a history of mental health issues and has been indiscriminate in his assaults.

His mother and many of us black folks have condemned the killing on social media, but please, don't let that get in the way of your nonsense.

We have discussed this in shock and horror in my black house, but again, don't let that stop you.

There has been no thread on MN regarding this, but by all means, use it to derail the OP's thread. I have seen one person mention it on a thread, but it was completely drowned out by Charlie Kirk adulation. That shows genuine care.

Carry on...

I meant towards black people, as per the OP.
He's not saying that white people are not good at this particular 'thing' - just that black people are better. Which in terms of the NBA, statistically, they ARE (and also make up 75% of the league)
This was often the case with Charlie's debates: he would merely present facts on whatever subject. That people simply didn't like a lot of those facts, doesn't stop them being facts unfortunately.

As a white person, I can't get worked up about CK saying black people are better at basketball than white people. Because it's true.

Op, I'm white and, while I disagree with quite a lot of what you have said, def agree about the double standard.

Look at the comments on the thread about the Sikh woman who was raped, denying the racial element or asking if it mattered.

Look at the people saying the Kirk murder shows the lack of empathy & murderousness of the Left. This is a huge problem. But so is the lack of empathy and murderousness of the Right. Look at the murders and attempted murders they have recently committed. Look at Trump's joking in response to Paul & Nancy Pelosi's attempted murder, and the people calling for Keir Starmer to be shot. Look at those who said the Pelosi killer was Paul's secret lover. Look at the right wing comments celebrating the deaths of trans teens or migrants in boats, to name a few.

This DM article, for one. Truly evil comments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14514643/Migrant-drowns-Channel-trying-reach-Britain-return-warm-weather-sees-small-boat-crossings-eight-days.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=11cxh6qg_gaMlByaG8zMy11bFZaN1VqcFg3Uk8xN3pIZlY0RjB3b1NxVTlRYmJaX214MnEyeEoxVEExX3J6MjdsTWRuVTRxNg.._ga_C9F47K6NW6*MTc1Nzg4MjcwMi4xLjEuMTc1Nzg4MjcyOS4wLjAuMA..#comments-14514643

We also see it in crime narratives. When young black men from poor families and w other social problems commit crime, that is rightly not treated as an excuse for criminal behaviour.

But when young white men from poor families & w similar lack of opportunities commit crime, too many (not all ofc) right wing commentators excuse it by saying that immigration is making their lives harder and they can't help it!

They rightly wouldn't accept that argument from BLM protestors saying poor black men had no choice but to riot. They would rightly denounce it as patronising and morally wrong.

But they don't recognise that it's equally patronising and morally wrong to act as if poor white men have no option but to riot, attack and insult the police & urinate in public.

Is this comment racist? Do you need to ask? Assumes black people are good at basketball, white people can't play basketball. But presumably this is being held up as "not racist" because it picks.a stereotype where black people are supposed to be good at the thing. And white people are supposed to be not good at the thing.

Let's look for similar examples in other areas....swimming, dancing, maths. Actually, let's not.

Are you serious? George Floyd was killed by the police. The very people who have sworn to uphold the law and protect citizens.

A white police officer knelt on his neck for over 9 minutes.

It doesn’t matter what George had done, if you accept the police can kill anyone they want, then you may as well hand the country over to despots.

I agree with every word you said. I dont condone murder but I won't shed tears over his death. Plenty of people die and leave families behind. His are no different or more deserving of sympathy than any other.

Absolutely agree, with you OP, Charlie Kirk held and shared abhorent racist and sexist views.

Few people outside the US were even aware who Kirk was before he died .But in death, unpleasant people seem to sometimes become martyrs and figureheads for groups who feel they are not being heard. Take George Floyd for example - multiple arrests and jail time for assault, robbery and drug offences. But his killing became nationwide news and sparked huge protests. And conversations about his criminal past were suppressed, just like criticism of Kirk is.

It's possible to respect a families grief and know that any murder is wrong, whilst also acknowledging that they were not a person whose views or actions we share.

Can you provide specific clips/examples of things he's said that have been racist?

In two I watched recently, he was encouraging two black students to believe they could achieve anything in life regardless of colour.

He does have an issue with DEI but, then, so do lots of people. He asked one student: Hypothetically, what would happen to the standard of the NBA if 50% of all new hires HAD to be white?
His answer: The standard of the NBA would likely go down because black players are overwhelmingly better at basketball than white people.

Is this comment racist?

I'm shocked that over 50% of people have said you are being unreasonable - there hasn't been a lot of coverage of his abhorrent views on race, so here's just a couple of things this upstanding Christian man had to say about black people:

If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

That’s kind of my point. He’s not even buried yet but they (including his widow) are promoting Americafest, for which VIP tickets cost $800 each.

Not unreasonable for pointing out CK seems to have had reprehensible views. I also never heard of him before.

Unreasonable for suggesting all white posters on this website are racist and don't care about black rights, struggle, or opinions. Id rather not succumb to the divide and conquer approach that these f-ers always try and win with. Or they've won already.

Also, unreasonable for throwing a bomb of a thread and not coming back.

There clearly is a black man trying to help the woman after the killer leaves the train.

And the news report says as soon as the killer left, several people rushed to help the victim. You can see that some of those running to her are black people.

I don’t know why the people near her didn’t do anything initially. They were likely in shock. The victim herself was in shock. No one knows how they would react in that situation, when the killer is still in the carriage. Look up the bystander effect.

@BollyKnickerz No. OP was talking about people glorifying CK and how it made her feel. You jumped from there to immigrants raping/ grooming women, which has nothing to do with what she was talking about. It was you who linked a black person to immigrant grooming gangs because she was not comfortable with some posters glossing over CK.

Why would you NOT want context? I find it bizarre that at least two people on the thread are suggesting you shouldn't read around the soundbites.

Why do you need context here? He said what he said, and it was vile and dividing.

Oh give over. I never once even suggested black and brown British people weren't British. you deduced that. christ it's like a David Brent sketch what you've just said ! You couldn't make it up !!!

She's not asking you a question. She's telling us something and is using this board to reach a wider audience. This is clearly explained.

she hasn’t buried him yet. Look at yourself.