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Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

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QOrion · 14/09/2025 15:11

I posted this in response to a short thread on Feminism and Women’s Rights but I want more people to see it. I want to have my say, even if I’m late to the conversation, and even if most people don’t care. I don’t expect many replies but maybe I’ll make some people think about what I’m saying.

I guess none of you are black. It’s the only way you can go out of your way to highlight this man’s ’virtues’. I don’t believe anyone is born bad or is irredeemably bad, I guess that’s my Christian upbringing, but I also don’t understand the deification of this man and the need for many people on this website to paint him in the best possible light. He’s not the first public figure to be shot and killed, even this year. If those deaths were even mentioned on Mumsnet, they certainly weren’t given much attention.

I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and his death had little impact on me. I have serious issues in my own life, people are shot and killed in America every day and there is a lot of suffering going on around the world, a lot of atrocities committed. It didn’t seem to be an incident that affected me in any significant way, even when I discovered his position on transgender ideology. I share essentially the same position on transgender ideology with many people I don’t want to be associated with.

Then I read his comments about black people. I can’t wax lyrical about how Charlie Kirk was ‘decent’ and ‘respectful’. How, ‘Isn’t it nice he gave his political opponents a platform’. And I can’t feel any kind of kinship with people who, knowing what he’s said about black people, still feel compelled to highlight his good qualities.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe he should have been killed. I don’t even support the death penalty in any circumstance, so I can hardly support Charlie Kirk being killed. But I am learning, not for the first time, that Mumsnetters in general, and users of this subforum (FWR) tend to ignore black people and our concerns, until we are useful. Whether that is taking cases to court when much is made of the claimant’s ethnic heritage (why?) or the perennial ‘transgenderism is womanface, it’s offensive like blackface’.

You have no idea and I think it is possible you will never understand just how much slights about my ethnic heritage cut deep. Slights to my womanhood are pretty trivial in comparison. I think this is something white women will never understand. So, you go on singing the virtues of Charlie Kirk. We’ll be here the next time you need to exploit us for your own purposes.

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JHound · 15/09/2025 12:09

Also Newsmax may have been around for 25 years but they simply reshared Ngo’s tweet with no verification.

Researching them online shows they are a far right channel not an independent news source.

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:08

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 10:30

That's racist
Racism is the hatred of a group of people because of their skin colour, nationality or culture.
So yes people can and regularly are racist against white people and get away with it because of the nonsense that you and others spout.
White fragility is a made up term to dismiss the push back against anti white racism.
Shame on you for spreading such devicive racist bs

Well said. And it's about time too.

It's divisive poison. Designed to corner and beat down white people so that they can then be brainwashed and manipulated. That's called domination, not equality. Apparently the "clever" one's are the one's drinking this toxic kool aid.

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:07

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:04

100%

Since Layer can't link the video he says says 'I got that white girl', maybe you can help him?

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:04

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:36

As for Iryna Zarutska, i don’t care what anyone says, if she was the only black woman on a bus full of white people, who was stabbed by a white man then bled to death as white people watched and her killer said “I got the black girl”, there’d be total uproar and demands for bloods. There’d be riots. Nobody would be making excuses for her killer. But apparently racism only works one way

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100%

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:04

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:00

The video has been edited to add sound and Andy Ngo is NOT a New York Time’s journalist.

Edited

The video looks dodge AF. Is it going to add malware to my PC?

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:03

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

That is a far right website, not a news channel.

And you said you didn't need bionic ears to hear 'I got that white girl'., which implies you heard those words yourself.

Are you now saying you haven't actually heard the words yourself, you're relying on a far right website for facts?

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:00

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

The video has been edited to add sound and Andy Ngo is NOT a New York Time’s journalist.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:50

Can you share a link or the tweet? Because I've searched and can't see it. The CCTV is silent on the train.

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.
JHound · 15/09/2025 11:59

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Don’t be ridiculous.

So it appears you are believing Internet rumours and modified videos.The actual
CCTV has no sound.

Plastictreees · 15/09/2025 11:58

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Don’t be ridiculous.

If he did indeed say that, then he is describing what he did. He did ‘get’ (I assume he means stab) a white girl. It was a horrific crime. But we do not know why he did it. That sentence alone does not show motive.

He may have a psychotic illness. He may have just wanted to kill. He may hate white people. Nobody knows the motive at this stage.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Plastictreees · 15/09/2025 11:49

It is not possible to extract motive from that statement.

Don’t be ridiculous.

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:54

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:51

It’s absolutely not true that “usually” stories like this make the news in a day.

Most murders never make the news. I posted a story just above of a black woman killed by a white man back in 2018 which did not make global news (and still has not till this day.)

It was not “suppressed”. It simply was not big news till it was big news.

Yes, the fact that 97% of killers are men is the issue here. Women are at risk from men, it's not limited to any race or colour.

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:53

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:50

The title is literally saying he’s getting attention because he’s whkte

the OP also thinks nobody on MN is black

That’s not white the title says but if you choose to read it that way that’s on you.

I also don’t think it’s that wild to suggest MN is predominantly non-black which skews the reception Kirk’s death has received. On a black majority board it would be viewed rather differently.

5128gap · 15/09/2025 11:53

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:43

I’ve heard him say “I got that white girl”.
No bionic hearing needed

These videos can be found on X. I feel desperately angry that people are so pre occupied with being right in they’re happy to deny the very obvious motives of the violent death of a young woman

Id also like to point out to people the death happened a month ago. we didn’t hear right away because the information was suppressed. Think about why

So, you are saying that the black man killed the white girl because she was white? If this is the case, what does it illustrate? That some dangerous men are black and hate white people? It would be ridiculous to assume otherwise. But what argument does this support on a wider level? And what evidence do you have this was 'surpressed'? And who by? And to what end? I wish people would stop hinting sagely and say what they mean and prove it.

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:52

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:47

Usually something like this makes the news in a day though.

Why do you think it didn’t?

Motives aren’t obvious?

If a white man stabbed a black girl and said lI got that black girl” would you deny the motive was racism?

Her killing has been covered in articles by CNN, The New York Times, The BBC, The Independent, The New York Post and others.

And there is nothing anywhere that says he said 'I got that white girl'. Because the CCTV on the train is silent.

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:51

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:47

Usually something like this makes the news in a day though.

Why do you think it didn’t?

Motives aren’t obvious?

If a white man stabbed a black girl and said lI got that black girl” would you deny the motive was racism?

It’s absolutely not true that “usually” stories like this make the news in a day.

Most murders never make the news. I posted a story just above of a black woman killed by a white man back in 2018 which did not make global news (and still has not till this day.)

It was not “suppressed”. It simply was not big news till it was big news.

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:50

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:47

“I got that white girl”
”I got that white girl”

Can you share a link or the tweet? Because I've searched and can't see it. The CCTV is silent on the train.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:50

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:48

I think that’s how you are choosing to read it.

If you read beyond the headline it is quite clear OP’s stance and it is not that Kirk is receiving coverage because he is white. She is making the point that a lot of people find it easy to champion him because they were not part of a
group / part of groups on the receiving end of his vitriol.

The title is literally saying he’s getting attention because he’s whkte

the OP also thinks nobody on MN is black

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:49

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:43

I’ve heard him say “I got that white girl”.
No bionic hearing needed

These videos can be found on X. I feel desperately angry that people are so pre occupied with being right in they’re happy to deny the very obvious motives of the violent death of a young woman

Id also like to point out to people the death happened a month ago. we didn’t hear right away because the information was suppressed. Think about why

Can you link to the tweet on X? Because I've looked and I can't see a single piece of coverage that says he said that. Fox News would definitely have reported that.

Plastictreees · 15/09/2025 11:49

It is not possible to extract motive from that statement.

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:48

TreesTreesBeesBees · 15/09/2025 11:44

The OPs thread title is literally:

"Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy. "

I.E. black people don't matter but white Charlie Kirk does.... it's right there on the title.

I argued he got the publicly because he was FAMOUS not because he was white. Simple as that.

I think that’s how you are choosing to read it.

If you read beyond the headline it is quite clear OP’s stance and it is not that Kirk is receiving coverage because he is white. She is making the point that a lot of people find it easy to champion him because they were not part of a
group / part of groups on the receiving end of his vitriol.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:47

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:41

So you've shared the graphic video of her in the lead up to her stabbing and when she was bleeding to death, but you don't want to share a video of what he says? What does he say? You can just type it.

“I got that white girl”
”I got that white girl”

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:47

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:45

The information was not “suppressed”.

That something did not make global news in seconds does not mean it was suppressed.

And the motives are not “obvious” given the allegations made about the killer’s mental health and whether or not he will be declared in compos mentis.

Usually something like this makes the news in a day though.

Why do you think it didn’t?

Motives aren’t obvious?

If a white man stabbed a black girl and said lI got that black girl” would you deny the motive was racism?

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:45

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:43

I’ve heard him say “I got that white girl”.
No bionic hearing needed

These videos can be found on X. I feel desperately angry that people are so pre occupied with being right in they’re happy to deny the very obvious motives of the violent death of a young woman

Id also like to point out to people the death happened a month ago. we didn’t hear right away because the information was suppressed. Think about why

The information was not “suppressed”.

That something did not make global news in seconds does not mean it was suppressed.

And the motives are not “obvious” given the allegations made about the killer’s mental health and whether or not he will be declared in compos mentis.