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Children start school at 5, oh no they don't

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Sadworld23 · 13/09/2025 23:48

We should stop taking about children starting school in the UK at 5.
Whilst that may be the legal age, even Gov.uk says most parents send their child to reception class at 4.

This makes me sad tbh, bc our child is (generally) happy at his nursery, 7m-3y, and I can't see him being ready for school at 4y.
He's barely out of nappies and bottles and I'm already choosing a school for him. And that's without the worries of sorting wrap around childcare to make my work hours work.

I had considered holding him back but nursery are already calculating giving up his place.

YABU children don't really start school til 5y.
YANBU children start school at 4y.

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Whyamiherenow · 15/09/2025 18:19

I think it’s right what you say but every child is individual. My DS is 39 months and started a school nursery this September (the term after he turns 3). I selected it because it has excellent wrap around care for the whole school 8-5:30 and a lot of other pluses. It is a small local school. His class is half nursery and half reception shared. He only potty trained properly in the last few weeks of August (it was a tough process with him really). He is in nursery at the school now for four full days. He is really loving it.

I thought of holding him back at one point and not starting until he was older because he is younger in the school year but he is really thriving. It’s the first experience he has had of formal childcare and he loves it.

It is a really good system that people can pick what best suits their child and their own circumstances. Real school and learning doesn’t start until they are older ie 5. You can only pick what’s best for your circumstances and child.

pollymere · 15/09/2025 18:18

My Mum decided to wait until I was five.

It was great in terms of learning but horrific in terms of admin. I ended up in Reception then totally missed out Y3 when they decided to adjust the year groups to Sept-Aug.

Ironically mine couldn't start school in September and had to wait until January. Ended up missing a term of schooling basically. I ended up teaching them to read etc but the kids in Reception from Sept knew each other and had their routines.

Blablibladirladada · 15/09/2025 18:16

Do what is best for your babe. Nursery will have its funding disregarding your choice.

One thing is don’t hold him up because you think he is still soooo young…he will adapt quickly. You could do part time nursery part time school? If possible with both…

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 15/09/2025 18:14

Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:32

Yes, short day creates a ton of childcare issues for me. But looking at wraparound care options. I don't really want him to have to get used to 2 new settings at once.

OP - a few friends of mine made a point of moving from nursery at the end of the school year in July and using a childminder instead over that summer, it meant that by the time September arrived, their dc was already used to the childminders house/routine.

Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 18:01

Thanks to everyone posting, certainly learnt alot already.

I'll try to read/reply to more later. I find it tricky flicking back to the post i just replied to , is there an easier way than noting the time and scrolling back.

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:59

DorothyStorm · 14/09/2025 07:27

Children in England start school the academic year they turn 5. That is a fact.

The school day is shorter than a typical nursery day where babies might be left from 7am until 6pm. How is the school day worse for a 4/5 year old?

Why is it just tour working day that needs to be changed to accommodate a shorter day for the child, and not the child’s father?

Edited

So they start school at 4, not 5..
Other notes, its not the length if scool dat that bothers me, more that he's not academially set up for school. His social skills are wobbly, he is already turned off by reading and writing. I don't think we cam turn that round in less than a year.

My DH, child father has serious long term health issues and can't be relied upon for childcare, though he does his best.
So the strategy has to be for me to make it work and him to help when he can..

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:53

GleisZwei · 14/09/2025 07:48

Stop assuming we're all living under the English system.

Yes I wrongly assumed the whole UK was the same. Thanks for calling me out.

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:49

Wyddfa · 14/09/2025 07:24

I can't see any comments about funding so apologies if I've missed it. In Wales if you're claiming free nursery hours the funding stops once your child is eligible for school. This makes a big difference to many.

England, but I need to look into that..
Thanks for pointing it out

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:47

NuovaPilbeam · 14/09/2025 07:20

I sometimes wonder if people who whinge about school starting in England at 4/5 have been in a typical modern reception classroom.

At my school (which was one of the top in county for academic outcomes at 11) the reception class spend loads of time in the "outdoor classroom". Both the indoor & outdoor spaces are free flow, there's loads of toys & activities to choose. Duplo is popular. Teacher input is brief and done in an engaging, interactive way. Really it is another nursery year but as part of a school to get used to breaktimes with older kids, and participating in things like singing in assembly, eating together in the school hall.

Absolutely, I haven't been in a reception class from more years than you've probably been alive.
That's perhaps why this is such a shock to me, but also I see headlines about school starters not being able to do x and y amd panicking bemc he'll be on that list.

I'd love to see a reception class, but i dont think they invite anyone in do they?
I can't even find any open days offered locally

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:42

Nineandahalf · 14/09/2025 06:34

My dd's school is continuous provision until year 3, so plenty of learning through play etc. It is one of the main reasons I chose the school . Children will have years to sit down - I want them to play!

Forgive my ignorance, what does continuous provision mean, is it common?.

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hazelowens · 15/09/2025 17:42

Cattenberg · 14/09/2025 12:25

I started school in a tiny pinafore sized for a three-year-old, that my DM had scoured the shops for. I'm just under five feet tall now.

My mum used to tell everybody that commented on how small I was that I had an aunty that had to take apart a pinafore that was pleated on the bottom and bring it in and then repleat it and bring in the top and then join them back together. She was doing this with any of my school skirts until I was 7/8 as I really was tiny that even the smallest sizes swamped me

Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:40

soupyspoon · 14/09/2025 05:43

Well exactly this, but not just that, I didnt take OP's comment literally that he's barely out of nappies, just that she is amazed at how quickly time has gone and now people are talking about school for him when in her eyes he's still a toddler/baby.

Exactly

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Nursemumma92 · 15/09/2025 17:39

You'd be surprised, a lot can change in a year at this age and he may well seem more ready next September than you expect.

It is always tricky when they start school working out childcare and work hours, so when looking for a school definitely find out about the wraparound options there. I am in an area where we are in the catchment for 5 different primary schools but wraparound care was high on my list of qualities I needed from the school.

Often if you hold children back a year, they have to start in year 1 and going from nursery straight to year 1 I think would be very difficult. Reception to yr1 was a harder transition for my DD than nursery to reception. She also potty trained late at nearly 3.5 and is may born but thrived at school in reception.

Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:36

InMyShowgirlEra · 14/09/2025 00:50

I was assuming based on him only just being potty trained and off bottles at 3.5. That indicates he's quite far behind other 3.5 yos. If there's other reasons why he was delayed in potty training and weaning off bottles like trauma or a medical issue then it's possible he doesn't have SEN, but he's still not at a typical level for that age. Most 4 yos are ready for a Reception classroom but it sounds like OPs child is quite far behind the average and might not be.

Not in our locality, yes a few are toilet trained but not 50%, amd many kids his age still have night bottles surprisingly when I admit it to other parents.

I had thought of it as our dirty secret but apparently it's not that uncommon at this age. I do believe he has oral sensory issues, but no one at nursery thinks this, or they haven't said.
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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:32

RabbitsEatPancakes · 14/09/2025 00:32

Reception is play based, very easy going. Ours has free flow to the outdoors and the kids generally have options/ different things set up relevant to the subject they're learning.
I think mine would've struggled going from nursery straight into year 1. Reception has been a nice midway and they've learnt the school routine and some older kids.
The school day is actually shorter than a lot of private nursery hours too.

Yes, short day creates a ton of childcare issues for me. But looking at wraparound care options. I don't really want him to have to get used to 2 new settings at once.

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:30

bluemoons3 · 14/09/2025 00:11

I felt exactly the same as you, completely understand OP. My DD was due to start school this September but I’ve chosen for her to join a Waldorf school (also look up Steiner) they stay in kindergarten until the September after they turn 6, and it’s just absolutely magical. If you have one near you I’d highly recommend going to an open day. We travel 30 mins but know other families there do travel further & it is so worth it x

Sounds perfect and I have looked for something local like that but Unfortunately it's a struggle to put food on the table at the moment, private school unlikely to fit the budget.

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Sadworld23 · 15/09/2025 17:25

InMyShowgirlEra · 13/09/2025 23:59

You are entitled to keep him in nursery until the term after he turns 5. It sounds like he will need quite a bit of SEN support anyway so it will be quite different to the set up for a typical 4 yo

Funnily enough no one has mentioned anything SEN, although I do wonder myself..

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brunettemic · 15/09/2025 13:25

It’s the kids that don’t go to nursery that are the ones that have trouble settling in usually…the worry and problems overall tend to come from the parents.

AleaEim · 15/09/2025 13:22

RubySquid · 14/09/2025 20:49

And where do they go for the rest of the day while their parents are at work?

i have found it’s common there for one or both parents to stay at home or work flexibly. There are after school clubs and Nannies but it’s not as common as over here.

Natsku · 15/09/2025 05:03

RubySquid · 14/09/2025 20:49

And where do they go for the rest of the day while their parents are at work?

Similar in Finland. My 1st grade finishes at 12 every day, except Tuesdays when he finishes at 1. The days will get longer during primary but even in the last year there can be days they finish at 12 or 1 as some days are longer and others shorter. 1st and 2nd graders can go to afterschool club but after that they're on their own unless there's local grandparents or out of school clubs they can go to but they'll have to make their own way to the clubs.

OwlBeThere · 14/09/2025 22:35

CocoPlum · 14/09/2025 09:06

Which is fine until you consider that those who are born late August are 4y 1w when they start and have a full year before turning 5.

I have one who had their birthday at the beginning of September and another at the end of August. I will say of the two my August born was much more ready for school than my stepember born, but I do understand that it can be really hard on kids who are young in the year:

RubySquid · 14/09/2025 22:22

Barnbrack · 14/09/2025 21:03

If you're lucky to their grannies, if not then to a cobbled together mash up of childminders or after school clubs. It's a terrible system where being a working mother feels almost impossible. P1 and P2 finish at 2pm and nursery finishes at 12. So my sister collects a child at 12, another at 2 and another at 3 on her days off. On the days she works eldest goes to after school, middle to grandad because he's got additional support needs and youngest is picked up by a childminder.

Sounds a nightmare. Was bad enough the few weeks ds was on half days when starting reception. My lunchbreak involved collecting him from school at 12 and driving him the 5 miles to nursery for afternoon session until 5,30. Luckily nursery saved him a lunch

Barnbrack · 14/09/2025 21:08

Dramatic · 14/09/2025 19:09

I actually think deferring makes this situation worse, if you have a deferred April born and a none deferred August born you then have a 5year 5month old in with a 4year 1 week old. I actually think this would further disadvantage the disadvantaged pupils with parents who just want rid of them to school asap.

It's having the opportunity to defer based on each individual child that helps. My son's best friend is a full year younger than him, genuinely almost a foot shorter and they operate on almost exactly the same wavelength. Been best friends since they were 2 and 3 at nursery.

When I took my son to his settling in sessions at 5 he hid behind my legs and required a lot of encouragement to join in, while my 2 yr old daughter walked up to the teacher and said 'scuse me, can I do the colouring sheets?' and sat herself down with crayons. Is be quite happy sending her now at 4, wouldn't matter a jot if the other kids were a year older. But in Scotland she gets the extra time as cut off is February. She definitely benefits too from the extra nursery year so I think it's better having a later start for all and referral available.

Barnbrack · 14/09/2025 21:03

RubySquid · 14/09/2025 20:49

And where do they go for the rest of the day while their parents are at work?

If you're lucky to their grannies, if not then to a cobbled together mash up of childminders or after school clubs. It's a terrible system where being a working mother feels almost impossible. P1 and P2 finish at 2pm and nursery finishes at 12. So my sister collects a child at 12, another at 2 and another at 3 on her days off. On the days she works eldest goes to after school, middle to grandad because he's got additional support needs and youngest is picked up by a childminder.

Barnbrack · 14/09/2025 21:00

We're in Scotland where cut off is they have to be 4 before the end of the February before they start P1. But also past few years any child who isn't 5 by the first day of P1 can defer and gets the extra year of nursery funded. We deferred my Feb born son and it was brilliant for him. He was school ready as in toilet trained from 2, could do his own jacket change his clothes, articulate, social, very academically able but he physically couldn't sit down and emotionally really struggled with change etc. so we deferred. He's now on referral pathways for autism and ADHD. Which is definitely appropriate although unsure if it'll lead to diagnosis or which type as they're always changing and there's so much overlap but basically he's much more in line with the kids 6-12 months younger than he would have been with those 6-12 months older.

My daughter is July born so turned 4 this year and will be 5 before starting, if I'm being honest I wouldn't have a moments concern about sending her to school. She loves books, letters, very self sufficient in self care type tasks, confident with her peers and manages her emotions really well, can hold back an upset to tell me about later in the day and problem solved for herself in the moment, can self regulate by taking deep breaths and will happily ask a teacher for help if upset. That said my husband pointed out she's still benefiting from this last year of nursery because she's playing outside, she's got more rest time, nursery staffing levels, more choice of how she spends her time in her day and constant access to a garden to get lots of physical activity every day.

Sorry for long stories but on balance I think sending 4 yr olds to school isn't in most of their best interests. It's a massive effort to get enough physical activity in my son's day to help him regulate, think walking to and from school, park or trampolining or softplay for 2 hours after school and a dog walk before bed. We prioritise movement over homework because he can then engage in school because he's more balanced and his teachers thankfully support that. Kids should be moving more in their day.

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