What’s the difference? Are the working class less than?

So you decided that the BBC was lying aboit the injured police officers, because it suited your narrative to disbelieve it, but now people have pointed out that it's not just the BBC, you're suddenly shocked? Ok.

I guess you’ve answered my question. I was just confused as to why one group is celebrated by the BBC and the other group branded far right.

I don't believe you are actually confused. The reason the two cases are different is because of the intention behind them. One group is waving some flags along to some music, because it's a tradition to do that at that event. I've been. It's nice, cheerful and friendly. The other group are following a violent far-right thug with a list of convictions as long as your arm, and sone if them injured police officers. I mean... come on. It's not hard.

Which channel did you watch The Proms on, OP?

The BBC are not the most trustworthy news source in the country....thats got to be a joke, surely.

FWIW The Last Night of the Proms has been roundly trounced in the past for being jingoistic and racist by some voices on the Left.

I’m working class, well-educated, and I would like to see Mr Yaxley-Lennon back behind bars for inciting violence.

You don't trust the BBC, the most trustworthy news source in this country.

Of course you're all over the place. You can hardly formulate theories when your feet aren't rooted in facts.

@Tarryawhile

This!!!

@GCAcademic I always see your name in connection with decent rational debate here - hello!

So I'm going to say here, as I've also said on another thread, with met police estimating 110,000 people, there were 25 arrests and 26 police officers were injured.

IMHO that's 26 too many. But In the context of a protest with that number of people, it's a lot less than what I was expecting. I also suspect the number attending is higher than what the Met police estimated.

Thinking of it in percentage terms, I would not call that a "violent" protest. I think that mischaracterises it.

@Tarryawhile Is it that 110,000 people were out waving the flag and also listening to "diverse" music? I put diverse in inverted because I dislikethat word, as a woman of colour I've completely lost what the DEI lot are trying to do. Admittedly, I didn't have much sympathy with it 20 years ago either, but I digress.

But yeah, if you're trying to say that they also had a lovely concert, certainly the clips I saw look like fantastic singing, and they were waving flags, and they're being labelled differently, I kind of see your point. But Tommy Robinson will always be associated with rampant racism and an extensive criminal record. So it's understandable that there's a lot of alarm around it.

There is a BBC Proms in the North East - Sunderland and Gateshead. Lots of free concerts too so everyone can enjoy the world class music.

Ha!

Right.

Also London was not fun yesterday for many genuonely working class people just trying to do their jobs. Mr Monkey works in retail in central London and it was really shit and intimidating yesterday.

One of the events was organised by the far right criminal Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) demanding that a legitimate government be overthrown

The other was a celebration of British culture that has been going for decades.

It's absolutely nothing to do with class.

@Tarryawhile umm you may have noticed the march was also in London. So these poor lambs could afford to travel to London to bellow about immigration and to beat up a few policeman but not attend a concert.

As people have said the Proms were founded to widen acces to classical muaic so more peope could afford to see it.

You're all over the place OP.

The proms celebrate the time when Britain ruled the ways, Tommy Robinson wants us to rule the waves again.

There are double standards when it comes to classic music. The WI won't cease their physical or mental fight "Til we have built Jerusalem, In England's green and pleasant bank. Yet the Isreali settlers looks to the do same in the West Bank, get frowned upon.

We went out into bham last night to have a meal and got a train home to Sutton Coldfield at about 930pm. Lots of men on there who had obviously ( from listening to their conversations) been in London for this protest. They were not “working class” or unemployed. They got off the train in a very affluent part of Sutton Coldfield. The assumption that people attending these marches are the uneducated lower parts of society, the jobless etc is wrong. These men were much more upper middle class. I could easily imagine them at the proms in a Union Jack bowler hat……..

It makes me laugh about this place. It's apparently full of tolerant, educated lefties, yet the contempt towards the working class is dripping from every page. They are despised and laughed at and cannot possibly care about their country or be concerned about the direction the country is heading in. Each and every one of them is a far right thug (apparently) and are incapable of thinking independently.

The people on the march are a cross section of society. They're not mindless drones. Dismissing people's opinions is what has got the country into such a state and will probably lead to a reform majority and five years of the odious farage.

Well done, keep up the derision and attacks if this is what you want. Probably too late now anyway.

My two penn'orth, for what is worth, is that people need to understand and address the real cause of WC discontent. The real reason they live in horrible neighbourhoods, with high crime rates, why they are not paid enough for their work, why there isn't affordable decent quality housing. Which is not because all the good stuff is in the hands of migrants, but because its in the hands of the wealthy privileged classes.
if the left hadn't taken its eye off the class inequality ball in favour of other causes, if it had continued to be 'progressive' in a direction their traditional voting pool benefitted from, then the right would not have gained this foothold.

The problem we have is that we’ve had years and years of austerity government. This has been felt by us all, but most keenly by the working class who statistically have lower disposable income and are more likely to live in low income/disadvantaged areas.

When things are bad, it’s natural to look for someone to blame, both as an outlet for anger and as a longed for solution, and along comes someone loud and charismatic. “IT’S THEIR FAULT! BLAME THEM, FOLLOW ME!” and unfortunately the more life is pressing down on you and the less educated you are, the more likely you are to follow.

People with higher levels of education are more likely to think critically about whether this is true or not, to be well read enough to have studied the parallels between the last shouty leader people followed in desperation.

People who consume a broad cross-section of media and news sources are more likely to have a balanced view of the contributing factors.

People who have seen this happen before, or have been othered themselves are more likely to know better.

So you are left with white, working class men in their 20s-50s. It’s no coincidence that this is also the highest demographic for convictions for violence, domestic violence and road rage incidents too. They are also the group statistically the most passionate about football, which explains why domestic violence incidents increase by 38% when England lose the football. It explains why 41% of those arrested at all the anti-immigration riots, marches and protests so far have had precious convictions for assault and domestic violence.

People say they’re calling for the dissolution of parliament like it’s some innocent and perfectly reasonable demand.

There was an election last year. What they’re calling for is the democratically elected government to be overthrown.

And I don’t buy the “for another vote” nonsense.