To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

They wouldn’t be in the mainstream classroom, but they have an excellent, well funded learning support department so place could be found there.

No because she would most likely cope better with the small class sizes, calmer atmosphere etc. Many parents chose independent schools precisely because they can offer more SEND support eg 1-2-1 attention
Why are equating SEND with poor behaviour?

That’s interesting. I wonder how your child’s private school would deal with my 11 year old daughter. She has autism and ADHD and struggles to listen and concentrate. Would she be got rid of efficiently?

I've already answered about why government hate it.

I read an article years ago that said for each one disruptive student in a class, the collective yearly earnings for the rest of the class decreases by £100,000. More than one disrupter and it starts adding up. If you're a smart and contentious child in a class with several disruptive students, your lifetime earnings, education and future prospects can be harmed. It's so unfair. As a teacher, it is making my job hell.

Yes. Nothing's perfect but it works wonders both as a deterrent for those who mess about and support for those who need for more time to learn.
And it means teachers don't face impossibly wide achievement gaps in the classroom.

We need to.embrace competition as a positive way of incentivising brighter pupils with detailed grading. Who in the world cares about achieving "greater depth"? It's the kiss of death.
You need to get 72% so you're motivated to catch Paul who got 83 and then Joanna who got 87. And even Hamish who got 93 still has the incentive of something more to aim for.

It's also.super important and character building to realise when you're not good at something and acquire the skills to confront it. We can't have people entering the workforce without ever having been told their work is totally awful in a certain area. They need to learn to take direct criticism without melting into a puddle.

It seems to me that nobody is currently being educated properly by allowing disruptive kids to stay in school - the disruptive kids aren't learning anything much and neither are the ones who aren't being disruptive!

BP hates Michaela because Michaela doesnt accept excuses for poor behaviour or poor performance. They don't select other than parents who buy into the ethos. They have an intake from a largely deprived area and turn out amazing GCSE results.
They demand accountability from pupils over their own learning. That's what BP hates, plus she's only bothered about breakfast clubs and blazers. She isn't interested in actual education.

It’s depressing and is one of the reasons I no longer teach in a secondary classroom (that and the workload tbh).

It’s not a new problem. It could be solved with more money, of course – more options for schools to (for example) take a number of students into a separate group to offer them different support, as so often IME poor behaviour is actually caused by extra and unmet needs (have seen this again and again) – needs that one teacher of 30 students is unable to meet.

Agree tho that parental influence is huge and education is not valued by some, sadly. Genuine responses to phone call home to very dismissive parent of student who persistently disrupted my lesson:
Well it’s not just her (it’s her I am talking to you about)
Well she's only talking (yes and it's very disruptive when I am trying to deliver content)
But [my subject] is not a priority for us anyway
<gives up>

Hardly surprising though? Private schools can pick who they accept and don’t have to tolerate poor behaviour. State schools are compulsory for every child. They can’t be as fussy as private because simply the kids have to go somewhere. If they weren’t in state school then where would they be?

Oh I know this one. The state values inclusion of all over education for most. Schools keep naughty kids off the streets. That’s their job.

Teachers are pressured to deliver results, while SLT in schools don’t support with behaviour management and government doesn’t fund specific interventions for the unmanageable. Kids learn that good behaviour is entirely optional so then there is a borderline group who follow dominant children and suddenly lessons are all fire fighting.

It is possible to do inclusion so it doesn’t impact all children but it is v expensive because you have to prioritise managing behaviour and align all your teaching to back that up - Michaela appears to do it successfully but in about 0.4 seconds someone will be on here to say Michaela fixes its intake or its results. The evidence indicates it does neither but goodness how the government detests it.

The kids who disrupt in my childs primary school get shoved in one classroom together called “nuture.”
I do think something ought to be done similar in senior school for disruptive kids so those who want to learn can do so.

That I agree with different schools to meet different needs but currently there isn’t enough funding for this. There are prus (pupil referall units) for behaviour issues and APs (alternative provision) for semh needs but these often end up being a over flow for Sen kids and are often only offered temporarily as a stop gap rather than a solution.

It's hardly a new problem. I remember children disrupting clases regularly when I was at school 20 years ago. It's not even "the worst state schools", it's pretty common even in typical schools all over.

It’s utterly disgraceful. But hey, inclusion group hug

Not underachieving, displaying highly disruptive behaviour!

They’d go to a different school. Classes of 30 kids only work if the teacher can talk and the kids listen. If one child takes up 50% of a teachers time, that’s 29 children getting a compromised education.

Because BP hates independent schools. Yes of course she could be engaging with them but she proudly boats that she's never stepped foot in one (apart from to use their hockey pitches obviously 🙄). That arrogance means she doesn't understand what they do so well.

Instead of demonising independent schools she could be improving state schools but that's too difficult!

My son has come home in tears everyday since the start of high school! The children are uncontrollable and sadly not all of us have the money for a private education

I actually wish we had a system where you had to "pass" the year to move up like in Spain and Poland. I've heard students are a lot more motivated to work and they don't have punitive detention systems because the ultimate incentive is if you don't study, you could be held back a year. Also means those needing more time to get to grips with some concepts have it.

But how much patience and guidance are her classmates expected to put up with while their education is put on the back burner?

It's frustrating. When they start having sets in year 8 or 9 I was keen for my son to strive for a higher set with this in mind. I am not saying the top sets don't have disruptive kids but I think it's less common. I feel sorry for the food kids in the lower sets who will be disproportionately surrounded by disruption.