To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

I watched Educating Yorkshire and I was shocked at how disruptive the kids were and the teachers have to act like their parents.
Teachers monitoring their food due to bad behaviour!
Teenagers that couldn’t read and write higher than a 5 year olds ability and primary teachers coming in to help them.

What is the world coming to?

I wouldn´t send my daughter there if you paid me, but horses for courses...

Another teacher was stating on the radio the other day that if each teacher could remove just the three most disruptive students from each of their classes, the British educational system would be transformed overnight.

They don’t seem to suspend kids , let alone expel them nowadays.
While my oldest was at Primary school a few years ago there were boys who punched other boys in the face and burst their noses , boys who flipped full tables over and threw school bags at teachers …
They did not get suspended or expelled , simply got a call to their parents , then kept in at playtime the next few days 😳
Both of these actions would have warranted a suspension at least when I was at school.
Why is it so lax now ? Where has the strictness gone ?

Teaching staff can’t drag kids out mid meltdown though - they don’t have the training, tbe staff required and at risk of being hurt themselves and subject to complaints from parents.

all the meltdown etc advice is to back off and leave the child in their safe space and that’s why they evacuate the rest.

of course, a kid who is so disregulated is in the wrong setting…and doesn’t have enough support.

I am coming from a perspective of having experienced DC in schools that show children the door and schools that support DC. In the schools that show children the door they do not have many strategies for DC with difficult behaviour, so they are stuck in a cycle of having unsupported DC in school waiting to be picked up ir removed. These DC display more difficult behavioir because they view school as a negative environment. In the schools that do not do this they have strategies to diffuse and support DC, so the children don't experience this kind of behaviour very often as behaviour is recognised a d supported before the DC reach crisis.

hmmm it depends on the school to be honest - maybe some private schools turf out kids who are disruptive but definitely not all. I went to private school on a scholarship for my GCSEs (this is a few years ago now!) and I was amazed at how totally disruptive most of the students were. Throwing things, shouting, creating massive problems in the classroom, and they definitely weren't thrown out!
Equally, my friend is a teacher in a prep school (fairly well known one too) and her head has told her they simply can't afford to throw children out for "being disruptive" at the moment. I think it depends on the private school - my kids in a state primary have a much higher standard of teaching and general behaviour expectations than our neighbours who go to an independent school down the road, but I think a lot of that is down to having an excellent head teacher.

Because it flies in the face of all their rhetoric about why children underperform at school

As a % of pupils at the school its tiny. Its just a lot more than happened previously where those pupils were allowed to drag the rest down with them

It also makes me furious how the government penalises schools and headteachers severely for excluding pupils that cause a living hell for students and teachers. It's blackmail really. A headteacher is unable to protect and keep his or her staff and students safe because of it. Eye-watering fines (10k-20k for each child excluded) that schools can't afford plus a significant and punitive downgrade in Oftsed rating holds a figurative gun to most headteachers heads. They're all sick of it.

In our school, the Local Authority states a student has to have been temporarily excluded in excess of 40 times before they can be considered for permanent expulsion, and then you have governors to get through and all sorts of challenges surrounding "inclusion/trauma/all behaviour is communication" rhetoric. I'm so glad to see the sentiment on Mumsnet is starting to change and people are speaking out. Everyone is fed up.

You said in your initial post that so many kids are shown the door. If that is the truth then if they are ofsted rated I would expect this to be flagged as a major issue in their next expection.

This is my exact view. I am a teacher
and spend 90% of my time dealing with 2 disruptive children. When did it become ok to to ruin the education of the many to cater to the few?

Well it is a mainstream school. And it is considered a good one and its not lots of children, its just the ones that continue to cause issues for the school and the other children there.

There's currently the UTCs (University Technical Colleges) which are mostly from 14 (Year 10) but I know at least one starts in Year 9.
Unfortunately they are badly promoted going by the amount of people on Mumsnet that have never heard of them.

That they select out a lot of difficult, high needs or SEND children by having the rules and reputation they have.

The school does support the kids. But there is only so much support they can give. How long should the school keep trying? When they have so many other children that also needs support

I’ve had this experience previously with my DC in Scottish primary.
They remove the full rest of the class and leave the troublemaker in the classroom.
its so disruptive and was happening almost daily one year of their primary.
I was so glad when the next year the classes were mixed up and that child was no longer in their class.
I had complained frequently as the child was throwing things and punching my DC ( and many others ) , other parents complained too but nothing happened.
My DC actually has a faint scar from being scratched so deeply from that particular child.
The answer has to be an end to inclusion policies - if these children cannot cope with education and lash out at other kids , they need to be taught separately.

Sorry I totally agree lots of private schools have fantastic SEN provision and are fantastic in general. I take issues with schools (mainstream or private) considering failing DC as a positive rather than an serious issue they need to address.

I have taught in state schools for years and I think SEND children get a very bad press on here. The vast majority of SEND children are perfectly well behaved and like a quiet calm environment. They suffer enormously in hectic, loud environments with lots of bad behaviour. That is why the parents who can afford it move them over to private schools.

Ideally, we would have smaller schools and a variety of different styles of schools where parents had more say in the school their children went to. I realise that would expensive and hard to do in rural areas but I think the current system is such a lottery and too many children are not getting the education they deserve.

Because a mainstream school that excludes lots of DC wouldn't be officially recognised as a good school.

@BigBillythat’s not what was suggested though is it.

School diversity school diversity school diversity. We need to stop accepting the lie that huge schools can meet all needs because we are all so neurodiversity/SEN friendly these days. Labour don’t get this, everyone is closing special schools, and we need more and different types of them not less.

@Donewithschoolruns my disabled dc is very well supported by her excellent private school, although of course I accept your point in general.

The issue is that the alternative the school talks about is in 95% of cases imaginary. Those children fail. If for example you died and your child exhibited difficult behaviour (which would be considered expected in those circumstances) would you think it is fair enough that they fail or would you expect the school to support them? Lots of children go through periods of difficult behaviour so this should be something that school find ways to manage rather than it become someone else's problem.