To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

Wow, would love you to provide evidence that independent schools drug pupils. Because otherwise it's just wild, random and deranged accusations

I'm not surprised. I don't think Michaela-like schools are the answer, but the OP seems to.

Hmm not quite sure I remember by dad getting a visit from the truant officer as my brother had been bunking off primary. That would've been about 83/4

bet it's not unheard of!
let's face it stranger things have happened

Sorry are you accusing independent schools of drugging pupils:
"give them stimulants so they can churn out work"

Two out of four of my next door neighbours' children go to a Michaela-like school. One has very poor behaviour at home (constantly shouting, throwing things, disrespectful to parents) and receives several detentions a week at school. The fact that the detentions have been going on for four years suggests that the behaviour policy doesn't change behaviour permanently. The school's GCSE and A level results are at the Michaela level.

It has always been compulsory to be fair but it was (in my experience) a lot slacker in years gone. When I was at school in the 80/90’s there were kids who didn’t bother going to school or only went occasionally. It was never followed up.Some of those kids (looking back ) had issues . The kids who attended every day wanted to learn or had parents who valued education.

Even in the 2000’s when my older dc were little you could take them for a day out or holiday without issue. So if they needed a break you could facilitate that. Nowadays you need to prove they are ill and face fines/court for taking them out ‘unauthorised’
it was just a bit more flexible in the past which probably helped those not suited to the classroom environment.

And let's not forgot there was an actual court case where a student took Michaela School to court over restricting her freedoms. The court transcripts show there was something of a mutiny in the school that led to it. She lost as the judge said anybody who didn't like the rules could go to another school, but the point is that it isn't some utopia with perfectly happy and compliant children.

Sorry, I am very sleepy deprived - I thought this was a behaviour getting 'worse' compared to the old days thread.

The data is always going to be difficult to determine as so much of it is subjective, based on what parents feel or not even defining poor behaviour to then quantify.

I don't think it's a surprise to anyone though that private schools can select fairly compliant children, chuck out the non compliant ones, get parents to pay for SEND assessments then get extra exam time / give them stimulants so they can churn out work (whereas poorer state school undiagnosed SEND children will just be told they're naughty) etc, etc, etc.

The Michaela school is self selecting. Parents who apply have chosen to apply because this is the environment they want. Don’t think this isn’t a major reason the school has little trouble

it is ambitious parents with hard working dc who apply. It’s a free school. Parents apply directly. Unruly dc don’t get allocated this school as its not part of the local authority allocation process.

It depends where you live.

I live in a slightly rural area in SE England and teach at an amazing state secondary. Behaviour is really good. My lessons run smoothly. I have been teaching 20 years so I’m fairly experienced, but I think it is possible to hold children to high standards.

Watching Educating Yorkshire is eye opening for me, because of the constant low-level chat and off-task behaviour. It’s not permitted at my school.

Maybe we can set up Michaelas all over the place and all the disruptive children go there. The rest of the children can enjoy school that's more like a school and less like a prison.

Oh this is nationwide!
If parents are asking around the village what school you child is going to and smile when they find out their child is going to a different one it should indicate that your child is the problem!
Hence why we worked like bastards to help our eldest get into the conditional 6th form. The ones with a handful of mediocre GCSE results just cannot go there, and boy oh boy does it make a difference.

I sit on exclusion Panels at our local Comp
The behaviour bar is set VERY VERY low

Makes no sense, because again, this disruptive behaviour is unlikely to be happening in post 16 education/sixth form/FE college and parents would know this.

Listen to the teachers.
Listen to the teacher's union.

If people want change it has to stop being an individualistic mission by parents to demand everything they think their one child in that class needs.

Last year's teachers union meeting showed the results why teachers are unhappy in their work and reasons for leaving.

Workload
Pupil Behaviour
Parental Behaviour

Parental behaviour shouldn't even be on the list.

We hand over our children to professional teachers day after day and entrust them with our children's early education. They deserve respect as professionals, from our children, especially our children, and us as parents.

I think you’re right but there’s a difference between a child who is occasionally disruptive and continually disruptive. There was a child last year who used to create havoc in the classroom and all the kids would be evacuated to the corridor 2-3 times a day. I was pretty glad he went to a different high school to my DS.

As far as I know Michaela is over subscribed so if it's not on the child's list of 6 schools they simply won't end up there.
If they don't get in to any of their 6 choices they will be allocated whichever school in the borough which has spaces.
An over subscribed school won't have places so a child could live next door but if it's not on their list - they won't get a place.

What school? Oh. The rows upon rows of special schools with spaces just waiting to take the child yes?

How do we know behaviour is getting worse? All I hear is anecdotes, and my own anecdotal experiences tell me behaviour is no worse than when I went to school.

Mainstream private schools are selective and by and large not dealing with complex SEND, poverty and chaotic home lives. They can exclude anyone who doesn't cope.

We could just make all mainstream schools be able to get rid of their problem children immediately and basically massively upscale PRUs and special schools but it wouldn't be right and it would cost a fortune.