To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

"widespread survey of parents has found" so your post is based on a parent survey?

The attitude of some in school is a representation of what is happening in society in general. Parents who won't monitor their children's behaviour outside school will frequently, fail to support any actions taken by teachers to deal with problems at school. Woe betide anyone else trying to be intervene outside school to prevent vandalism or bad behaviour - the parents are just as likely to turn on that person. It's a bleak picture, but it's true

Sorry to hear this. My children’s ages span a lot of years and when the eldest started primary the teaching assistant in each class were there to help along those who struggled with some concepts, listened to kids read etc. now they are just 1:1 with the Sen kids. It’s a good use of their time as it allows others to learn, but the teacher is now missing the important role a TA did for them

This is the main reason I have decided to give up teaching. The behaviour is awful these days and this is Primary! So much time spent dealing with disruptions and the SEN is through the roof with not enough funding and support. I started this career 12 years ago and so much has changed for the worst. Parents would be horrified if they witnessed how often lessons are disrupted by children.

I've had enough of being stressed to the max trying to do my best and knowing it's still not enough. I've just secured a new job out of education. I can't wait to start.

How about we start campaigning for the government to put plug more money into intervention? CAHMS is disgustingly underfunded, they got rid of Sure Start etc etc. Schools are for education not to teach how students to behave. Start pointing the finger at the organ grinding government not the teachers who are trying their bloody best!

Just have a different school for these kids

I do wonder sometimes if the thought of having to retake the year might encourage some kids a bit more. It's really common in Belgium. I don't think they put up with nearly the same amount of shit in schools though. And teachers are generally much more respected.

As in Germany and different types of school rather than just one model which doesn't work for all at all!

Much better and the UK should seriously learn and adapt. Xx

Oh it has been in many schools for many years, especially since academy takeovers!

As a supply teacher now there are some i refuse to go to and I'm pretty tough!

The stories of disrespect, abuse, safety etc would make you your toes curl...

I'm in Belgium and the commune schools offer either a "technical" or "professional" track from 14 alongside general education. So non-academic kids move to learning a trade, or office/hospitality skills some still with the option of getting their high school leaving certificate with an extra year (so Uni or higher education possible) Here you have to pass the year to move up (even in primary), so maybe it becomes clearer who might benefit or not. The system is not perfect maybe, but better than forcing GCSE's on those who are not interested or capable.

I took early retirement from a state 6th form college, mostly happy years but behaviour was getting worse and managers would rarely suspend or eject students as resulted in loss of funding ! so they just kept them in class to disrupt etc.

Disrupting child should be send out. They need to learn to behave when one talks all listen. It will be useful for later when they working and having a meeting they will be required to stay quite until they are asked to answer

Come on. The parents are probably already on their knees caring for a child with significant needs and now you think they should become educators as well.

Just like you, they've paid their taxes, they're entitled to an education for their child.

Some parents do reluctantly home educate against their will. Complete failure of the system.

Another viewpoint is this - why should the mainstream school system be set up so that your child succeeds and other children fail? Why should it suit certain personalities and not others? Why should it favour compliant children with good academic ability over other children? What makes these children "special" so that society caters to them while ignoring the needs of other children?

While we might care most about our own children (and there's nothing wrong with that), we should all be committed to the idea that all children should have their needs met.

I think those schools used to be called grammar schools. In Buckinghamshire (where we lived at one time), the grammar schools were brilliant for academic children who wanted to learn. However, our local secondary modern school was also really good. I seem to remember that if a child did well academically at the secondary school, they could transfer over to the grammar.

@Bumblebee72 college is a choice so I do agree that a college age (ie 16+) teen is pissing around then they should be told to leave. The same for 6th Form.
Don't want to be there ... don't be there.
(it's not compulsory despite what many seem to think)

Nothing. They don’t care, their children aren’t there.

We far to often let the few disrupt the many. There needs to be faster ways to remove problem children and educate them together in another setting. Your behaviour, your choice. There was someone yesterday posting about a child who was at college who was in trouble for fighting twice in the first week - they should be straight out. Teachers would be able to teach more effectively, students learn better the whole system would improve.

When I became a teacher, the first thing I swore I’d do was never ever use a lovely, quiet well-behaved girl to regulate or act as a buffer to a disruptive boys behaviour. It’s cruel and unfair and utterly abhorrent practice. I try to be as intuitive and observant as possible and keep them well apart. I look really hard for if students feel uncomfortable sitting near each other or better still, try to preempt this before making any seating plan.

It’s not up to girls to shoulder the burden of helping to simmer down disruptive boys. I was used that way also in school sometimes and it makes me so angry. I hate it and inwardly feel rage whenever I hear a colleague (very few luckily though) say this is their intention with their seating plan.

We you be happy if parents who home school get government money to do it?
Currently you don't. You get zero government help at all and you're left to your own devices.
Most parents can't afford to home school even when they know it would be some much better for their child.

Unfortunately, by removing your child and home-educating, you move that child to the very bottom of the LA’s never-ending list of priorities. I’m not saying it’s right, or fair, but it is reality.

I am not immune to DS’ violent meltdowns and neither is DH. It may be selfish, but the idea of managing DS’ significant disabilities at home 24/7, without professional involvement, was not tolerable, even if we both did not need to work to pay the mortgage.

DS is perhaps unusual, but he has both a high IQ (gifted in maths) and a high level of social and communication needs. He may have SEN, but I still have hopes for how his life will turn out. His needs have been obvious since he was diagnosed with classical autism at age 3, and that’s when we started trying to convince the LA that MS was unsuitable. As I posted upthread, even when DS had to be taught 2:1 in a windowless cupboard, they still insisted MS could meet need. If there was a way to get DS what he desperately needed without impacting others’ education, then of course I and most decent humans would have done that. The fact that there isn’t needs to be laid at the door of the LA’s and education policy of successive governments, not of individual parents.

Absolutely agree.
It’s a national disgrace.

Or the parents could provide it themselves, instead of compromising thirty other children’s education.

I wouldn’t feel differently, no.

If my child was that disruptive at school, I’d remove them. My child is no more important than the thirty others in the class. What right have I to deprive others of an education in order that my child be included? Is my child’s (questionable) education to come at the expense of every other person there? It’s the height of selfishness and self-absorption.

I agree, we've all know parents who believe little Johnnie is in the right, even if every other parent in the class knows that Johnnie is disrupting every lesson and being a pain in the playground.

Yes it is. I left teaching because of it. Your hands are tied, give a detention and instead of parents bollocking their child , they take their children's side and believe the teacher is wrong, or misunderstood or phones to complain about the "unfair" detention...

It's unsustainable unless parents back up the school it's impossible to maintain discipline