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How would you feel about this wording?

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ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 00:26

How do you feel about this wording about a pro Palestine meeting held on company time and that it singles that Israeli or Jewish can attend but they must meet the criteria?

The company is public sector ish. This is a group for work colleagues to help the world be anti racist.

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TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 21:18

NoSoupForU · 11/09/2025 20:38

What absolute bullshit though. Because the stipulation would be that Muslims are very welcome as long as they weren't subscribed to terrorist ideologies.

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Which they aren't. And neither is a Jew or Israeli in England

Ddakji · 11/09/2025 20:40

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 20:29

OK. Well being against the Israeli state is anti-Zionism.
Being against Jews is anti-Semitism.
Jews live ALL over the world - they have thriving communities in most western countries for example. Israel is just one country they live in.

Some people are, of course, both anti-Zionist AND anti-Semitic.
But a lot of people just don’t agree with what the state of Israel is doing, especially at the moment in Gaza.
That doesn’t necessarily mean they are anti-Semites. They can have nothing against Jews, but just dislike the Israeli government’s actions.

typo

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Anti-Zionism is being against the existence of the Israeli state. Otherwise that sounds more like being against the Israeli government.

Israel isn’t just one country they live in. It’s is the only Jewish state in the world.

NoSoupForU · 11/09/2025 20:38

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 17:43

Company time issue for whom?

I guess you aren't Jewish

Next time we can have a meeting and not invite Muslims because they do all the terrorism

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What absolute bullshit though. Because the stipulation would be that Muslims are very welcome as long as they weren't subscribed to terrorist ideologies.

Zov · 11/09/2025 20:32

That is appalling!

I have already blacklisted Oxfam, and refuse to go in there, because of them 'picking sides' in the Palestine-Israel conflict. (No prizes for guessing who they support!) 🙄

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 20:29

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 19:20

No

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OK. Well being against the Israeli state is anti-Zionism.
Being against Jews is anti-Semitism.
Jews live ALL over the world - they have thriving communities in most western countries for example. Israel is just one country they live in.

Some people are, of course, both anti-Zionist AND anti-Semitic.
But a lot of people just don’t agree with what the state of Israel is doing, especially at the moment in Gaza.
That doesn’t necessarily mean they are anti-Semites. They can have nothing against Jews, but just dislike the Israeli government’s actions.

typo

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 19:20

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 19:16

You do understand the difference?!

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No

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 19:16

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 19:15

???

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You do understand the difference?!

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 19:15

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 19:14

No…
Jewish businesses anywhere but Israel would be unaffected.
As I said in my original response to this, the wording is clearly anti-Zionist but NOT anti-Semitic.

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???

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 19:14

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 18:03

Who is Israel - Jewish

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No…
Jewish businesses anywhere but Israel would be unaffected.
As I said in my original response to this, the wording is clearly anti-Zionist but NOT anti-Semitic.

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 18:03

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 17:51

Are you talking about the reference to BDS?
I thought that only targeted Israel?

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Who is Israel - Jewish

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 17:51

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 17:42

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So we should stop buying from Jewish owned business?

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Are you talking about the reference to BDS?
I thought that only targeted Israel?

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 17:43

NoSoupForU · 11/09/2025 10:43

Why do you keep asking this?

I don't see an issue with the wording. It is a support meeting, not a platform for arguments which is made clear by extending the invite to specific groups of people but reiterating the purpose of the meeting.

Being on company time is perhaps a little more of an issue, but again depends on so much context that just isn't provided.

Company time issue for whom?

I guess you aren't Jewish

Next time we can have a meeting and not invite Muslims because they do all the terrorism

TheOchreCrow · 11/09/2025 17:42

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 10:43

Sorry, I don’t see that in the images in your OP.

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So we should stop buying from Jewish owned business?

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ParmaVioletTea · 11/09/2025 15:52

Held in company time? It’s completely inappropriate and makes weaselly claims about Zionism which are borderline Jew hatred.

Ddakji · 11/09/2025 10:47

Zionism (the idea of the Jews having their own homeland) is fairly inherent in Judaism so this is anti-Semitic from the get-go.

The second bullet point presumably includes pretty much everyone so not sure why they’re singling out Jews and Israelis (or conflating them).

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 10:43

ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 10:41

Wording? I think it's wrong for a company to suggest you don't buy Israel or Jewish products, unless you do?

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Sorry, I don’t see that in the images in your OP.

NoSoupForU · 11/09/2025 10:43

Why do you keep asking this?

I don't see an issue with the wording. It is a support meeting, not a platform for arguments which is made clear by extending the invite to specific groups of people but reiterating the purpose of the meeting.

Being on company time is perhaps a little more of an issue, but again depends on so much context that just isn't provided.

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ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 10:41

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 10:40

Sorry. I was just answering your OP.

Tbh, I think the whole thing is ludicrous to be being held in a place of work, during working hours. But if it’s allowed, the wording isn’t too problematic.

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Wording? I think it's wrong for a company to suggest you don't buy Israel or Jewish products, unless you do?

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Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 10:40

ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 10:34

Then they didn't need to go into a tirade about occupation etc.

Also not buying from a business due to their race/religion is pretty hardcore racism

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Sorry. I was just answering your OP.

Tbh, I think the whole thing is ludicrous to be being held in a place of work, during working hours. But if it’s allowed, the wording isn’t too problematic.

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ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 10:35

MsMiniver · 11/09/2025 10:14

I think it makes sense and is well worded as possible in such sensitive times.
Anti- Zionism is NOT antisemitism.

Why isn't it?

Boycotting a company because they are owned by Jews is awful.

Just like me not going to my local shop because run by Muslims, Muslim out nails in girls at concerts, killing them. Muslims beheaded people on the London bridge.

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ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 10:34

Swiftie1878 · 11/09/2025 09:39

OMG. Only in the public sector 🤦🏼‍♀️

Given it’s allowed, I think the meaning of the wording is pretty clear. It’s not a meeting to discuss the rights or wrongs of the Israeli government action; it’s simply to work out how you can support those affected in Gaza.

Saying it’s anti-Semitic is off radar. It clearly isn’t. Although it is probably pretty obviously anti-Zionist.

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Then they didn't need to go into a tirade about occupation etc.

Also not buying from a business due to their race/religion is pretty hardcore racism

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MsMiniver · 11/09/2025 10:26

I work in the charity sector and some places I’ve worked have an different “affinity group” for all sorts of identities and characteristics and beliefs. Also some say things like “this is for LGBTQ people ONLY please don’t come to the group if you are an ally please join the other group that includes allies”. I thought that was fair enough (but also who has time to be in all the groups in work time anyway!) It’s a big thing to bring your whole self to work and feel seen in the charity sector. I joined a parents and carers one but didn’t ever really have time to attend the meetings.

MsMiniver · 11/09/2025 10:21

I do believe Jewish people deserve a safe space, just like everyone else deserves a safe space.

Dangermoos · 11/09/2025 10:18

MsMiniver · 11/09/2025 10:14

I think it makes sense and is well worded as possible in such sensitive times.
Anti- Zionism is NOT antisemitism.

They shouldn't be promoting their anti anything, if it's irrelevant to the work place business. Not that I agree with the demarcation of anti semitism v zionism - that's just a cop out. Unless you believe Jewish people don't deserve a safe space.

MsMiniver · 11/09/2025 10:14

I think it makes sense and is well worded as possible in such sensitive times.
Anti- Zionism is NOT antisemitism.