Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

It's got fuck all to do with the right wing, unless the shooter is found to be on that side. Kirk's views were not illegal.

No, as I don't think it's OK for white people to be called gammon, flagshaggers, belittled for loving their origins. There are two extreme sides to the political spectrum. I don't agree with racism and I don't agree with hypocrites, hiding under the guise of compassion when that compassion is selectively issued. I'm not the knly one that's had enough of the left giving it large with their sneery attitudes to anybody who doesn't agree with them

This has fuck all to do with the right wing.

Uh-huh. Apart from the minor detail that the US right wing is the reason that so many crazy people get their hands on guns in the first place.

It's because of right-wing gun legislation that tens of thousands of Americans die by guns every year. Regardless of his political views, Charlie Kirk is just another victim and another statistic.

But words can and do provoke violence, as we don't live in a perfect word, and anyone speaking publicly has to be aware of the potential consequences of what they say.

Charlie Kirk knew full well that his words and views provoked strong reactions, he made a career out of it, and he did it in a country that is awash with weapons that make it all too easy for someone to kill indiscriminately and people who have no issues using them. His death isn’t right, but it was foreseeable.

Because we are talking about freedom of speech...which some people believe that means you can say whatever the fuck you want.

Hear hear.

More people on this thread need to read this exact quote.

I'm using the above as an example. I don't believe it's acceptable for anyone to just say whatever the fuck they please in the examples above, despite political beliefs. You are completely ignoring what I'm saying. So under free speech did you think it was okay and perfectly acceptable for Hitler to demonise Jewish people?

What has any of this got to do with Charlie Kirk?

Charlie Kirk had every right to hold the opinions he did. He has every right to express those opinions and to not be murdered for them.

Why are you going on about Hilter?

While ignoring the hard left and what they get up to and say. Cut the one sided shit. Those threads were a massive eye opener to anyone, who thought the left weren't capable of being toxic. This has fuck all to do with the right wing.

A right wing advocate for guns was shot dead on the same day there was a school shooting injuring students.

The right wing gun nut “I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.” also said

“I think empathy is a new age term that does a lot of damage"

I'll keep my empathy for the children in the school. Op why no mention of this? You appear to care more for the advocate of violence who was hoisted on his own petard, than the innocent lives put at risk.

The gun nuts won't give up their guns regardless.

No, I don't. But if you're the kind of person who is stood outside a hotel threatening to burn it down with people inside, you can reasonably expect to be on the recieving end of physical back lash

If you call someone a faggot, or the n-word, or whatever, you can likely also reasonably expect to end up slapped 🤷 Verbal abuse falls under domestic violence. It can be psychological violence.

Words matter. Look at Hitler. How do you think he gained power? As I said, we have to draw a line somewhere. Truly far right people who want to incite violence/commit genocide should not be allowed to spout their views under the guise of it being an opinion and not expect any consequences.

To be clear here, I am NOT talking about this man and this particular scenario. But if you truly believe it's acceptable for people to hold and express opinions like 'I think all of x race are disgusting vermin who need slaughtering' then idk what to tell you. That bullshit has no place in civilised society.

Anyway, after seeing that footage, I'm going to cuddle and value my loved ones. Nite all.

We don't know why he was shot though. I'm not a free speech absolutist myself but that doesn't mean I go around executing everyone I disagree with

There was plenty of race baiting going on during the George Floyd riots. However, this is about the brutal murder of a man. I will refrain from being further drawn into a one sided issue.

Yeah, I didn't say anywhere that it makes murder okay.

I personally don't think men have any place debating abortion at all 🤷

I don't condone violence. However I'm also not going to expend any sympathy when he considers the deaths of others to be an acceptable price to pay:

“I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.” -Charlie Kirk

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

On Michelle Obama
““You do not have the brain-processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”

Obviously you should not be murdered for your views. You are entitled to express what you please, but if you're going to spout horrible views, expect legal or social consequences. If you are going to use words that sound violent, perhaps consider you may also end up on the recieving end of it.

So it does seem then, that you do in fact believe that people should be murdered for their views. If they use “violent” words, they should expect violence in return.

You do understand don’t you, that words are NOT violence.

Violence is violence.

We’re talking about a country where some people are so anti-abortion because they believe killing a fetus is murder that they will murder adult human doctors as retribution for performing abortions.

This is a live by the sword and die by the sword country. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. It seems as though this is another victim of the USA’s gun laws. The country is in such a sad mess, this incident is just another example.

Im conflicted to be honest. Hes entitled to his opinion and actually welcomed debate so to be murdered for it is tragic. Using violence to stop debate is abhorrent whether its Charlie kirk or Israel bombing doha and both left and right should stand together and denounce it. The only reason I am conflicted is that he literally said gun deaths are a side effect of the 2nd amendment rights and empathy has done a lot of damage. He himself basically said we shouldn't feel empathy for this. But I do. Because im not a bastard. I feel the world has gone nuts whilst im stationary. The extreme left is violent and wont listen to reason and the extreme right is violent and wont listen to reason. The middle ground is just wondering what the fuck is going on. You can hate someone for their views but still feel sorrow for their passing.

I said on the pulled threads, Douglas Murray needs to be very careful. It's becoming more apparent that articulate and sharp commentators are not to be tolerated.

Of course he wasn't. He was thinking of all the other people whose murders apparently were acceptable to him. No-one ever thinks bad things will happen to them.

Then you debate, you don't murder.

"Your views are abhorrent" is an opinion not an argument.

Have no idea what that has to do with my post.

I was quoting a poster lamenting that its a shame we can't peacefully disagree.

My response still stands. His style of "disagreement" was not peaceful.

Race baiting. Here we go.