Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

Where has anyone justified his death? The vast majority of people on this thread have simply said that nobody is under any moral obligation to mourn him. We can and do feel that he did not deserve to die, that his murder was wrong and that violence is always wrong. However, voices on the right seem to want to silence anyone who says CK wasn't a saint. Why aren't we allowed freedom of speech? How is it illiberal of us to not canonise this man?

Are you from the UK because we dont have freedom of speech. That's an American thing

@Mustbethat @DipsyDee You/ They can say whatever you/they want. He wouldn't care a dot what you/ they think and free speech is free speech. BUT if you're justifying his death or qualifying it with 'but he said...' you cannot also say you are liberal, tolerant, or progressive. Words are words. We should not be hurt or killed for them. No matter left or right.

Charlie Kirk believed in free speech so whether you agree with what had been said about what has happened or not people have every right to say it. Isn’t this what Charlie wanted or is it more of a case of only a section of society can say what they want but not others?

But Kirk, despite inviting respectful conversations, never intended to change his mind. At heart, there was no reasoning, except from him. His opinions were set in stone and he used his huge platform to spread those opinions. He was never open minded enough to admit he may have been wrong, ever.

Do you hold the same opinion of those cheering the assassination of Mark and Melissa Hortmann? I'm sure you do, as I, although I disagree with pretty much everything Charlie Kirk stood for, am horrified by the manner of his death.

But they aren’t restricted themselves to those who express joy.

which is still free speech, by the way. It is not a criminal offence to say you are happy someone is dead. It is free speech and I will defend people’s right to hold that opinion, whether I agree or not.

they are going after anyone and everyone who does not agree with CK’s opinions, or dares to say he was anything less than a hero.

they are not calmly inviting discourse or respectful conversations. They are not allowing free speech, against everything CK stood for.

CK called for someone to go bail out Pelosi’s attacker when he was brutally assaulted. Said they would be a “patriot”. Why did he not lose everything for celebrating a violent assault?

Charlie Kirk spoke.

He calmly invited respectful conversations, discourse. Embodying “come let us reason together”.

And he was brutally assassinated.

In the aftermath others have also spoken.

Not calmly inviting discourse or respectful conversations. Not seeking to “reason together” with those who think differently.

But expressing raw delight and joy over his heinous murder. Many demanding more of the same, including his family.

And crying when they find their words have consequences in the real world.

They rejoiced when he was murdered for his words but claim victimhood when they are fired for theirs.

Irony indeed.

Unfortunately it’s having real life consequences.

it’s the US. Many employers can fire at will. So no recourse to employment law. In addition health insurance is often tied to employment.

they’re bypassing the law to punish people.

Unfortunately Vance will just step straight in.

Can't expect stupid people to understand irony.

These people acting as thought police when someone does something as simple as quoting CK's own words are the same people who were openly celebrating when Melissa Hortman was assassinated.

I do wonder if the US will survive the Trump presidency. No empire lasts forever, this may well fracture it.

Yes, the utter irony of free speech being policed by keyboard warriors who venerate Kirk, the free speech advocate.

The hunting down, doxing, and getting people fired has made me really angry this morning.

people are losing their jobs for their opinions. Their livelihoods. I’m not even talking about those “celebrating” CK’s death, although while I don’t agree, I defend their right to say it- but people simply saying they feel no empathy, or sadness at his death, or posting memes or whatever.

one person claims to have got over 500 people fired, and has stayed up sending emails. There is a thread where people post screenshots and those people’s employers are contacted.

if you agreed with CK, he argued for free speech. Shutting down those who dislke or disagree with his opinions is not free speech.

then you have actual governmental representatives deciding if foreigners make any negative statements about CK they will be refused entry.

free speech is gone in the USA. And they have the absolute gall to insist the UK does not have free speech and we can’t say “hurty words” on the internet.

Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician. He was a podcaster and the head of a right-wing pressure group. Melissa Hortman was a politician but it's weird how little her death was noted while Kirk's has instantly become a cause celebre.

There's over a hundred victims of gun violence EVERY DAY in the US. None of them deserve to die.

Whatever ones political views be they librel left or very right wing , no politician, needs to be shot , sorry for his wife and children phases of policy come and go things swing one way and another but no one needs to lose there life , in the uk things go one way and another but Loss of life no , when there is a common enemy like fascist then yes we need to crush it's not good for any one

Which is what? New stuff is being released and it’s a mix of things

Can you quote the posts on this thread where anyone has gleafully celebrated the shooting of Charlie Kirk? Oh wait, there aren’t any.

The virtue signalling on this thread is off the scale.

Acknowledging the person Kirk was does not equal gleafully celebrating his death. It acknowledges the kind of person he was. His being dead doesn’t change that fact. In fact it’s only because of the individual that Kirk was that anyone even cares about his shooting.

People are shot in the US every single day, and nobody gives a shit. Yes there’s a passing mention on the news of the number of children shot in x school or y university, and some calls from foreign countries for gun control yada yada, and then some individual like Kirk stands up and says that murder is justified because of the second amendment.

Do I think Charlie Kirk should have been killed? No.

Do I think the killer should be brought to justice? Absolutely.

Do I think that he deserves to be shown up for the vile individual he was? Absolutely.

If anything the shooting of Charlie Kirk is a bad thing because now he’s been as good as sainted.

I wonder if the same people defending Charlie Kirk on here had the same view if Jimmy Saville had been murdered. Or any number of other heinous criminals.

It’s still possible to acknowledge that someone shouldn’t be killed while accepting that regardless of the fact it was wrong, they were still a horrible person. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

And in the meantime the whole Epstein files have slid back into obscurity. Hmm, strange that. Such a coincidence….

Were you more or less shocked by the reaction of some on the left to Charlie Kirk's murder compared to, say, the way many on the right (Charlie Kirk included) reacted to the death of George Floyd or the brutal attack on Paul Pelosi?

There is an enormous difference between gleefully celebrating Kirk's assassination (I don't) and being honest that they will not mourn his death (I am in this group).

I'm certainly not celebrating it. Nor will I pretend that I think this is on a par with Martin Luther King being assassinated.

The most shocking aspect of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, for me, is the huge number of people who thought it appropriate to gleefully celebrate this heinous crime. Absolutely barbaric.

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