Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

Ah, the very type I was referring to.

I'd say we can make a pretty educated guess.

I often wonder if open fascist racists are on this site. I am being serious after what I’ve read the last few weeks.

This is found on the right as well. Your assessment lacks context and facts.

the US has very recently had political assassinations of left politicians by hateful rightwing madmen. Notably Melissa Hortman of Minnesota.

In the U.S., unless you are directly and credibly threatening to kill someone or defaming someone by libel or slander, our speech is protected. Even cases of libel and slander, the bar is incredibly high to prove wrongdoing.

as a regular citizen I can say I hate Trump and wish he were dead or that I believe he eats worms for breakfast. But saying that in an anonymous forum while sitting in my PJs in my living room and no access to weapons or hit men, and not under oath, I’m protected under the 1st Amendment because I’m a U.S. citizen and Donny would have a tough time claiming a ranting middle aged women caused him damages. As a divisive public figure he’s pretty libel-proof. And I really have no idea if he eats worms or not. I’ve never breakfasted with the man.

we really can say the most mean, incorrect and hateful things. It’s acting on it that is the crime.

It's so disgusting, cheering over the slaughter of a father who was extremely law abiding and spoke words they hate.

Horrifying, frightening, disgusting, nearly beyond belief. They always show themselves for what they are.

The hateful Marxist Antifa crowd are really gloating on this thread, aren’t they. They really are dangerous and toxic.

I think you might need to calm down a bit.

So I can't comment on the irony of this situation but disablist slurs are fine? Also being anti guns and anti racism doesn't= radicalised far left.

Look at all the veiled comments about gun ownership trying to stay the right of the line but still being disgustingly hateful. These people are basically saying that he deserved it.

The ‘be kind’ left strikes again.

For clarity, there isn’t a problem across the board. The problem is on the left. It’s the progressives who threaten the gender critical women with unbelievable hate and misogyny. It’s the role on the same side of the debate who twice tried to shoot Trump. It’s the same people who vandalize businesses and generally make people lives a misery in the name of climate. The same people call anyone and everyone a racist for having perfectly sensible and reasonable views on immigration.

Visceral hate of anyone different to themselves is a potent emotion on the left. And yet they accuse other of being intolerant.

And the radicalised far left are cheering and whooping. This is the face of the tolerant, progressive far leftists.

And every single person on mumsnet or in any country anywhere else who has ever screamed RACISTS BIGOTS NAZIS! online at a person flying a flag or saying "actually I don't think we can sustain millions of immigrants and am worried about the uptick in violence in my town" shares some responsibility for this shooting. All. Of. You.

I see the vicious monsters in this thread trying to somehow justify this horrific act.

It doesn't matter where you are when you scream these abusive, nonsensical statements online. You feed the frenzy of radicalised far leftists who simply WILL NOT ALLOW anybody to speak words they hate.

This man was always pro law pro debate.

Not to mention the irony of the ones who are keen on gun control are now cheering on a monster who slaughtered a young husband and father - with a gun.

Oh and if you make any assumptions at all about me based on this post it says a LOT about you and nothing at all about me. Only an aggressive, radicalised far left loon would find anything I just said offensive or triggering.

Free speech means you CAN say 'whatever the fuck you want'.

Those considered to have abhorrent opinions should absolutely have those opinions challenged, yes.

They should not be shot dead.

You don't know what the killer's motives were. They still haven't caught them.

I second that. What a job they've got.

This! A man has now been shot dead for having opinions others don't agree with. Opinions which, if you watch his YouTube videos, he was often able to back up with official data.
These really are scary times.
My thoughts are with his family.

BTW Mumsnet team, many thanks for moderating the threads this evening/all night. It is appreciated. 👍

Are they sick?

I generally assume they're a sandwich short of a picnic and scroll on by.

Nope, racist towards white people because of their skin colour. It's pretty transparent.

My father taught us that free speech, debate was the cornerstone of a civilised society. I still believe that. Politicians used to be much more interesting to listen to when they could debate. Now they veer between nodding donkeys or screeching harridans.

I listened to the deputy prime minister of Poland today at the EU fantastic speech. The Italian prime minister, very energised. The prime minister of Hungary. They were passionate in their opinions. In the UK ours are such milk sops

What is it I'm racist against exactly? White supremacists? OK sure, I'll take that. 😀

Getting a gun license renewal here every five is difficult enough. I wouldn't like to see it relaxed. So few people need a gun in this country.