Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

I often disagreed with what Charlie Kirk said, but he was literally the opposite of that.

His whole mission was to discuss and debate pretty much anything. He always allowed the other person to put their view across, even if he was merciless in then countering views he disagreed with.

You may hate the Republicans in the US, but they are strong advocates of freedom of speech, more so than in the “liberal” UK when you can arrested for writing an insulting tweet as Graham Linehan discovered.

If you're going to be happy that a completely law abiding man and father of young children who always called for rational debate was slaughtered by a lunatic it's actually quite safe - because nobody who is not a far leftist radicalised nutter would try to kill you for making those revolting fucking comments. Your cult is the danger.

We see you.

You can't be far left/fascist and liberal!

It's horrifying. It seems to be actual cult insanity. And, like most women on mumsnet, I voted left until a few years ago. They pretend not to believe that though. If you look up the BITE stages of cult indoctrination you will see that these awful, frightening savages fit the bill. The furthest right and the radicalised far left have met in the middle.

Imagine even thinking for one moment you should be pleased by a law abiding man who called for rational debate being slaughtered by a fucking maniac - and then having the actual nerve to smugly write that down in a post. JFC. They're terrible, horrible, frightening people.

Shame you didn't see Charlie Kirk celebrating a politicians husband being attacked by a hammer, isnt it?

If you're going to champion political violence, you can't really complain when you fall victim to it.

The radical left ARE the new facists. They have become the very thing they claim to hate. Reading any comments on dedications to Charlie Kirk shows just have low the ‘liberals’ have fallen. Just like when Trump was shot. It’s almost unnerving that they cannot see themselves

You’re conflating “freedom of speech” with “freedom to disrupt”. They are not the same.

And why do gun lovers in the US think they are so special that their society needs so many guns? Look at any other civilised country. Trouble is they would need to take their heads out of their asses first.

Sorry that a law abiding citizen and a father who always advocated for the law to be followed and debate to be pursued rationally was slaughtered by a filthy fucking maniac.

At least, that's what normal decent people are saying.

Are you seriously using a play on a word meaning learning disability as an insult? Disabilities are not shameful and they do not make people less than so using it as an insult is not ok.

No, he did not seem to be that, because he was not that.

He seemed to be someone who wanted to shut down other people's free speech with violence.

Why are people so deluded that they think the far right = free speech? It just means that you are free to hear other people with the same views. They are fascists.

Only under a liberal society you get to hear a range of views.

What politician killed him?

Ah, I just knew one of you would reply like this.

Deliberately making yourself a divisive public figure and becoming a target because of it is not remotely comparable to a woman being raped because of what she wears. The fact you’d even try to make that comparison is disgusting, though sadly not unexpected.

And before you clutch your pearls over the language being used here, maybe take five minutes to look at how Trump, Fox News, and the right on SM reacted to the attack on Paul Pelosi or the assassination of Melissa Hortman. The hate and bile that poured out then didn’t seem to bother you lot in the slightest. Funny how it’s only when the shoe is on the other foot that you suddenly discover outrage.

That should have said "spouses", not husbands. Melissa Hortman and her husband were murdered, Jack Hoffmann and his wife were wounded.

Your imagination is working overtime.

Where were you back in June when a two Democrats, their husbands and a dog were shot by a politically-motivated assassin? I hope that you condemned that in equal terms.

I do find it odd how much attention this one murder has attracted. There was yet another school shooting on the same day, but this man is the one deemed important enough to have flags lowered to half staff in his honour. Actual elected representatives didn’t get that but some Youtuber does, just as long as he's on the side of the regime?

Charlie himself would have had to admit his death was an acceptable price to keep the 2A.

i wonder if his wife feels the same.

Two people died in a school in Columbus as well today. They did nothing wrong.

The reason why he is shot is irrelevant. america wants their guns. This is inevitable consequence.

i am still seeing people advocating for more guns. Arm everyone on university campuses. More guns would not have made a blind bit of difference, there were armed police, security, and no doubt armed members of the audience. Not one managed to stop this.

utah recently passed a law that means open carry is allowed on college campuses. This is the result.

An interesting diversion from Dmitry Medvedev, former Prime Minister of Russia and now Deputy Chair of the Security Council/propagandist. This tweet was sent a few hours ago and seems to blame Ukraine for the assassination. However, generally whatever Russia shift the responsibility to Ukraine for, their own hands tend to be dirty. It’s just a strange message to send.

“Political crimes and assasinations have been carried out lately by a variety of left-wing liberal scum who support Banderite Kiev. Fico, Kirk. Who's next? Maybe it's time for the MAGA team to realize that by supporting Ukraine, they're supporting murderers.”

When gun advocates are shot, what can we say?

No one in this thread is cheering Charlie Kirk’s death.
It is more than unreasonable to lay blame on anyone other than the shooter for his death. Shame on you.
It is perfectly reasonable to say that CK was a controversial figure. He wasn’t a fluffy teddy bear, was he? Why would an inoffensive person be targeted at all?

Nope, I was referring to you, actually. You know little of me, but given your activity, I know much of you.

Not a big thinker, then?

He was a tool of Trump’s. That’s it. That’s the really sad thing. He made his living grifting and promoting every idea and thought of Trump’s. Ultimately, it led to his death. I’m sorry for his wife and children.