Page 27 | Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

WhatNextBanana · 2025-09-10T21:58:53+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy/]] Political violence on the rise. People are getting angry when people have Political views they don't agree with. *Freedom of speech must be allowed not shutdown.* Tragic news of a young family man shot by someone today. Please remember he was a human with a family. Violence is never ok.

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 06:15

Pigeonpoodle · 11/09/2025 06:05

I’ve listening to him quite a bit and, whereas I’ve often strongly disagreed with him, I’ve never heard him advocating violence against those with different views.

Provide some evidence or you’re slandering a dead man.

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A week after three children were killed by shooting Kirk said innocent civilian deaths were the unavoidable and necessary price for God-given freedoms like the 2nd Amendment.

Kirk also said "Empathy is a made up, New Age thing that actually does a lot of damage."

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 06:15

@TinyIsMyNewtso he deserved to die? So he’s an awful human?

KhakiTiger · 11/09/2025 06:14

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2025 04:16

Your imagination is working overtime.

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Better than having completely dormant brain cells. As is the case with people who are triggered by this.

SewNotHappy · 11/09/2025 06:14

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:57

@SewNotHappyyou get bogged down by definitions, which as you should know change over time. The far left is becoming an ideological view that forcefully opposes alternative views and hates freedom of speech. They are becoming the thing they hate.

The definition of the word liberal has not changed.

TinyIsMyNewt · 11/09/2025 06:12

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 06:11

@TinyIsMyNewt So he claimed the man might actually be a gay lover? So by that he doesn’t deserve sympathy? It’s a bit of a reach. Again, I’ve never seen him incite violence.

And wanted someone to "heroically' bail the attacker out.

Pigeonpoodle · 11/09/2025 06:12

SewNotHappy · 11/09/2025 06:08

And Liberalism is the opposite of that. Liberalism is a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

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It is, and I’d describe myself as a liberal by that definition.

The issue is that it’s become a term that’s been appropriated over the past couple of decades by the Left, and co-opted into their much more authoritarian and intolerant philosophy.

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 06:11

@TinyIsMyNewt So he claimed the man might actually be a gay lover? So by that he doesn’t deserve sympathy? It’s a bit of a reach. Again, I’ve never seen him incite violence.

SewNotHappy · 11/09/2025 06:08

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:54

Yep. You can. As proven by this thread.

Fascism is an authoritarian ideology that prioritises state control, suppresses dissent and free speech, and uses violence and propaganda to enforce ideological conformity.

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And Liberalism is the opposite of that. Liberalism is a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

Pigeonpoodle · 11/09/2025 06:05

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 05:54

His ridiculous views got absolutely roasted by any intelligent audience. And he did incite violence against those with different views.

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I’ve listening to him quite a bit and, whereas I’ve often strongly disagreed with him, I’ve never heard him advocating violence against those with different views.

Provide some evidence or you’re slandering a dead man.

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 06:03

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:58

They have long since passed "becoming". Look at the arrest of Graham Linehan and now the crowing and joy over a law abiding young man being slaughtered by a loon.

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Look at someone arrested for inciting hatred and violence.

Look at someone murdered for inciting hatred and violence.

Hmm, I wonder why there are laws which limit freedom of speech?

Think on.

TinyIsMyNewt · 11/09/2025 06:00

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:58

@TinyIsMyNewti would be interested to see that link too.

Covered in here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/technology/pelosi-attack-misinformation-conspiracy-republicans.html

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 06:00

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:58

@TinyIsMyNewti would be interested to see that link too.

Right. Anyway, I am out, just wanted these vile creatures to know that I know what they are. In fact, everyone knows what they are, I am not reading any more of this repulsive filth, listening to them excitedly pleased that a young father was slaughtered by a loony from their camp is just too revolting.

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 06:00

Yes, in the UK you can be arrested and imprisoned for publicly inciting racial hatred or violence - freedom of speech comes with responsibility and limits.

This case shoss what happens when people incite violence. People get violent. Hence the law.

tripleginandtonic · 11/09/2025 05:59

TheSixthBestOption · 10/09/2025 23:44

Why do you keep repeating the same lies about a man who has just been murdered? He was a devout Christian who believed that all killing and violence is wrong. One of the reasons he became so well known in the US was because he would go to university campuses and debate calmly with people who disagreed with him, and often insulted and shouted and insulted him. He believed that people with opposing views should be able to sit down together and talk about their views calmly and that only by listening to each other's views would there be increased understanding and less violence.

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Why the did he advocate for guns then, if all killing was wrong. And public executions?

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:59

The left are the most intolerant people in this world

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:58

@TinyIsMyNewti would be interested to see that link too.

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:58

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:57

@SewNotHappyyou get bogged down by definitions, which as you should know change over time. The far left is becoming an ideological view that forcefully opposes alternative views and hates freedom of speech. They are becoming the thing they hate.

They have long since passed "becoming". Look at the arrest of Graham Linehan and now the crowing and joy over a law abiding young man being slaughtered by a loon.

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:57

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 05:54

His ridiculous views got absolutely roasted by any intelligent audience. And he did incite violence against those with different views.

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No, he didnt. Link to your claim or stfu.

Wishing14 · 11/09/2025 05:57

@SewNotHappyyou get bogged down by definitions, which as you should know change over time. The far left is becoming an ideological view that forcefully opposes alternative views and hates freedom of speech. They are becoming the thing they hate.

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:55

TinyIsMyNewt · 11/09/2025 05:55

Celebrating an elderly man being attacked with a hammer is rational debate, by your standards?

You don't see shit.

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He didn't. Find the link to your claim.

I see all the vile fascist cultists crowing and creaming their knickers over the slaughter of a young father who was a law abiding citizen who believed in free speech and rational debate.

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:55

Pigeonpoodle · 11/09/2025 05:50

I often disagreed with what Charlie Kirk said, but he was literally the opposite of that.

His whole mission was to discuss and debate pretty much anything. He always allowed the other person to put their view across, even if he was merciless in then countering views he disagreed with.

You may hate the Republicans in the US, but they are strong advocates of freedom of speech, more so than in the “liberal” UK when you can arrested for writing an insulting tweet as Graham Linehan discovered.

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They are literally and genuinely just making shit up to try to make themselves feel better about having an orgasm over a young father being slaughtered by a maniac. They are fucking vile cultists.

TinyIsMyNewt · 11/09/2025 05:55

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:49

If you're going to be happy that a completely law abiding man and father of young children who always called for rational debate was slaughtered by a lunatic it's actually quite safe - because nobody who is not a far leftist radicalised nutter would try to kill you for making those revolting fucking comments. Your cult is the danger.

We see you.

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Celebrating an elderly man being attacked with a hammer is rational debate, by your standards?

You don't see shit.

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 05:54

Pigeonpoodle · 11/09/2025 05:50

I often disagreed with what Charlie Kirk said, but he was literally the opposite of that.

His whole mission was to discuss and debate pretty much anything. He always allowed the other person to put their view across, even if he was merciless in then countering views he disagreed with.

You may hate the Republicans in the US, but they are strong advocates of freedom of speech, more so than in the “liberal” UK when you can arrested for writing an insulting tweet as Graham Linehan discovered.

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His ridiculous views got absolutely roasted by any intelligent audience. And he did incite violence against those with different views.

thebabayaga2025 · 11/09/2025 05:54

SewNotHappy · 11/09/2025 05:48

You can't be far left/fascist and liberal!

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Yep. You can. As proven by this thread.

Fascism is an authoritarian ideology that prioritises state control, suppresses dissent and free speech, and uses violence and propaganda to enforce ideological conformity.

BollyKnickerz · 11/09/2025 05:51

YankSplaining · 10/09/2025 23:31

Yes, “literally nothing” like you. Because we’re not both democracies with similar judicial systems, and we don’t speak the same language, and we don’t consume each other’s arts and pop culture as a matter of course, and the US has become a completely different species - genus and species! - from the UK, merely 250 years since the original thirteen states were British colonies.

Quit making statements that are so hyperbolic that they make you sound more ignorant than I’m sure you really are.

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What a horrible post.

We speak the same language as south Africans too. Funnily enough that does not make one culturally similar.

You do realise most of the world listens to US pop music and TV?

Who's ignorant again ?