Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

I disagree with your statement that being a Christian means adhering to values and principles you personally hold dear. You are not the arbiter; you have no right to judge who is and who is not a Christian based on your own personal moral code and views on guns.

@ExtraOnionshe was anti-violence. Listen to him

Ok, and what if you're wrong? What if it's not an anti-Christian hard-left shooter but is instead an extremely religious Trump supporter who, for whatever reason, didn't like CK? Do you think what you posted will have helped in any way?

Speculation only serves to fan division and hatred. At a time like this that's an awful thing to be doing.

I usually assume at least half of all content and comments online are the work of bots and trolls - ie not real - and the more inflammatory, cruel or extreme the posts are the more likely they are indeed the work of bots and trolls. I used to play spot the bot with myself but then it got boring, there were so many. I think in real life the views on this are likely much more temperate than online.

…in particular, what is it you disagree with ?

Lots and lots of people espouse obnoxious opinions, some very publicly and frequently, and almost none of them ever get physically harmed for it, much less murdered.

Generalising this murder as important for all free speech, neah, don't see it.

If he doesn’t live Christian Values, then he’s not a Christian. You can’t just take the bits you like, and ignore the rest - it’s not that sort of Club.

The Christian Right in the USA do it all the time … For example .. Abortion is bad, Death Penalty is good - well you either believe that life is a precious gift from God, that only God can start / end … or you don’t. You can’t pick & choose - that’s not how it goes.

@BagsinthebootI mean it’s a thread about free speech, I’m giving my opinion. I don’t think it will drastically hinder the FBIs investigation

I’m a Catholic myself, and disagree with everything you’ve said, so please don’t think you speak for all of us.

@ExtraOnionsi don’t think you can personally judge who is and isn’t a Christian. But he stood for Christian values and family. Thats what I mean.

Maybe you should stop making things up to suit your own personal agenda, and wait for the FBI to do their work.

As a Christian (Catholic) myself, I must strongly disagree.

You don’t get to Duct Tape Jesus to your head, all call yourself a “Christian”.

Living a Christian life means not supporting guns, or deaths from guns, or the death penalty, or stopping gay rights, it’s means welcoming refugees, looking after the sick and the less fortunate, helping the poor .. I could go on.

The “Christian Right” espouses some of the least Christian views I’ve ever seen.

@BagsinthebootYou’re right. Maybe it was a case of mistaken identity.

‘Ask not for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee’

There is absolutely no way you can know this. You are making things up and trying to present them as fact.

If you have any information on the killer and his motives, you need to be talking to the FBI.

Really concerning that at the time of writing this, 23% think YABU.

There should never be violence as a result of someone having a different political view than you - right or left. This is a young father of two young children who will now grow up without him.

His death is no greater, or lesser, tragedy than all victims of Gun Violence. There will be numerous deaths today in the USA of Women standing up to men, Children standing up to parents, shop owners standing up to criminals etc. All killed for taking a stand.

Let’s also be clear, it’s not just a political assassination but a religious one. He stood for living a Christian life and was a religious man.

Perhaps the fact that the US has a written constitution, where the right to bear arms is set in stone, is a major flaw. Our constitution in the UK was unwritten. When these things are embedded as they are, the foundation stones of a nation, it’s incredibly difficult to change them. The constitution was created in a different time and the world was altogether different, but no nation can really change or progress while still adhering to principles and values laid down centuries ago. I don’t think there’s a solution.

@ExtraOnionsbut not many people have the guts to do that, take the stand, say what they believe, argue, debate and discuss. You don’t, I don’t. Very very few people do. And this man, one of the few who has, has been killed. So it is very different.

You have a government in the United States that has been supportive of Political Violence, that had promoted polarised politics, that hasn’t (up to today) condemn gun violence, that has threatened those with alternative views with deportation, that has both promoted and cracked down on free speech.
Polarisation, and conflict suits the Trump agenda .. it’s straight from the Dictators playbook.

I have sympathy for anyone who is caught up in the Wild-West of the USA.

This thread is a great example of people chucking insults at each other .. it’s gets us nowhere. I think they are people (or person) on this thread who typifies the problem - they see themselves as a Free-Speech warrior .. but they aren’t, there just throw insults around, they are incapable of an adult, rational conversation - they just hurl abuse and hate .. and there in lies the problem. They think they are absolutely right, and not capable of a nuanced conversation.

You can say you think people have abhorrent views … and not wish them dead
You can point out that the liberalisation of gun laws, will lead to more gun deaths
You can say that you don’t know why this death is worse than others - people are shot in the States every single day, for having a different opinion.
The problem is the current political climate of the USA which, since the insurrection, has accepted that violence is part of the Political Landscape.

Speculation about motives and the ID of the shooter is supremely unhelpful and helps no-one. All it does is fan division and hatred because everyone will conjure their own perfect villain in their own head (trans, black, neo nazi, radical left wing - take your pick).

Remember it was a Republican who took a shot at Trump. CK was on the right but it does not follow that it was someone on the left who shot him.

I think everyone needs to calm down and wait for further updates rather than engaging in unedifying and unsubstantiated speculation.

It's not freedom. Looking at the shocking level of gloating today, it's clear that liberals don't want to see the means of violence outlawed, they just want a monopoly on it and for their political opponents to be denied access. This sets the cause back somewhat.

its an educated guess based on what he stood for.

Why do you think he was shot?

Never found anything he said that controversial.

Many people are against abortion. It has always been a controversial topic.

He spent a lot of time debating that men can't be women; which they can't.

His debates that college is a scam - most of the time it is. What's the point of spending four years to go to a nondescript college to study poli-sci and not be able to get a job afterwards.

I'd say that extends here so many go to university to do random degrees with no prospect of getting a job afterwards. My next door neighbour's daughter went to do a degree in communication studies at a third-rate university. I didn't say anything, but what the fuck is she going do with it. All that money and all those years for that.

The gun support was hardly controversial either. Everybody knows the Americans love guns. It's too embedded in their culture to change.