Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

Lucy Connolly didn't receive a custodial sentence for 'a Facebook post'. I know you are in the US, but there is a LOT more to it than that. She's no martyr.

The UK is arresting 30 people a day for disfavored speech, and over 12k in 2023. Lucy Connolly received a custodial prison sentence for a Facebook post. I don't see that happening here.

www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-002239_EN.html

Well yes, because the constitution only applies within the US.

Well, yes, when the Supreme Court say it does.

Well yes, because the constitution only applies within the US.

to refuse people entry because you don’t like their opinions kind of goes against the whole US ethos and being the most free country in the world though.

plus the irony of telling us in the UK we don’t have free speech and are oppressed by our government..

I have.

If they are physically present in the county, yes. Applying for a visa, no. The government has broad discretion in visa issuance and immigration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleindienst_v._Mandel

I assume there's a similar list of those celebrating the death of Melissa and Mark Hortman? No? Odd.

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It isn’t just people saying he deserved to die. It’s anyone saying negative things, even as simple as they won’t mourn him.

many people are saying that his murder was very very wrong, but can still agree his opinions were wrong and they didn’t like him as a person. Even saying he won’t be missed. That is still not condoning his murder. That is not a reason to lose your job.

Bullshit. But also WTF??? Define celebrate? I haven’t seen any celebrations, but aI have read a lot of people saying they thought he was dangerous, or not a good person, or racist or that he won’t be missed by many.
I wonder if just having those views is enough to get people hounded, fired, chased down.
its very VERY creepy.

If you don’t think checking tourists SM for views that don’t match the current administrations
isn’t sinister then you don’t. The rest of the world studies actual history and knows what this kind of behaviour is often a precursor to…
My global US Headquartered company has advised non- US staff going to the USA to leave their personal phones at homes and only to take their work phones, work tablets and work laptops.

Every employer has a duty in law to ensure a safe work environment for every employee.

Working alongside a colleague who has taken the time to publicly state that people deserve to die for voicing certain opinions is not a safe working environment.

Therefore any employer who is made aware of the risks posed by such an individual in their employ would need to take remedial action to ensure the workplace remains safe for all employees.

These individuals have effectively made themselves unemployable. The responsibility is entirely theirs.

Just seen this

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Have you read the constitution?

everyone is protected by the first amendment.

it is their right of course to refuse entry. But saying CK was not a nice person does not count as “violent or hateful views”.

Lucy Connolly would agree, I'm sure.

Non citizens are not protected by the first amendment and the US has no obligation to issues visas to people who espouse violent or hateful views.

This is commonly misunderstood, even in the US. The constitution protects US citizens from government restrictions on speech. Other organizations, like employers or social media platforms can and do have restrictions on speech that you opt into by your employment or participation on the platform.

And the government can impose some restrictions on speech - incitement to violence, national security, etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States

Yeah, when you live in a fascist country you really should keep it anonymous online.

People in the US are losing their jobs over SM comments about Kirk, and the US have said they’ll start looking at visitors who want to come to the USA too- not allow visas for anyone making comments about Kirk on SM that the authorities don’t like.
So much for freedom of speech…

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/23/un-yemen-recovery-possible-in-one-generation-if-war-stops-now

Compare that to the death toll in Yemen.

The death toll in Gaza exceeds 64,000.

The uk does have free speech. Protected by the Human rights act.

it’s not “an American thing”. It is in their constitution but they do not exclusively have free speech and no one else does.

i would argue that currently America does not have free speech in practice. As it seems anyone can censor you for you speech by contacting your employer and getting you fired.

nobody has justified his death or said he should be killed for his words.

but why aren’t his supporters respecting his words? Free speech, reasoned debate etc?

If he was such a hero and everything he said was right, why aren’t they praying for these people and explaining why they are wrong to think what they do? why is it speak out against CK and we will hunt you down and ruin you life.

I am not justifying is death. I am saying you cannot justify his followers actions if they believe in his words.

Just been reading up on the Boelter case which is ongoing so the press can't say much. The case is different in that the wife seems to have been on the ball taking off with the children, passports and ten thousand dollars. Boelter had an extensive hit list of victims. Was much older a respected citizen.

I don't know if Minnesota has the death penalty though.

Where did I say anything about justifying his death? People do like to make things up

💯. People do like to blather on about the importance of free speech but in reality all this really means is that only those with the same opinion can talk freely whilst those who disagree should be quiet.