Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

It's never anyone else to blame, is it?

Why would I like it? I've already said my fear is this will lead to more violence.

And I doubt the killer will face justice, I'm guessing they will quietly be disposed of.

Free speech is something generally agreed across the political spectrum as long as you believe in democracy. But the disagreement arises when considering if it should be an absolute right and always ‘trump’ all other rights or whether there should be any caveats to it where there are certain consequences arising from speech which clashes with other rights. Libel and slander legislation would be an example of this I think?

I personally don’t think we should be jailing folk for writing things on sm. I think the solution to it is unfortunately quite dry and boring and which would not get traction on tik tok in that we should be doing all we can to preserve the rule of law and democracy. The US seems to have gone quite far down the road of dismantling these things and we need to be very careful in the UK that we don’t do the same but I fear that we will.

Interestingly, an American man was interviewed who had been stood right at the front at the time of shooting. He referenced an English man who said something as long the lines of “ at least it will stop him talking” as that man said, it’s a world wide issue

You'd like that, wouldn't you? You maybe right. However, whatever piece of vermin shot his neck to pieces, will hopefully meet the death penalty.

It wouldn't surprise me if the far right killed him as a strategy to inflame tensions.

The US has a history of killing its own people.

Hear hear. If Jesus turned up in the USA today he'd be denounced as a 'communist' for espousing such radical ideas as kindness to strangers, helping the needy and the meek inheriting the earth. As for providing free healthcare to lepers...

So he didn't incite it then. 🤔 really not sure why @serendipityjane thought Lucy Connolly was relevant, here.

Yeah ok, that's a play that could be lifted from the American evangelical playbook. Been there, done that. From the mid-60s to today they're still doing it, and it's morphed into the political leadership of today (all by design, by the way, the sheer amount of money and mobilisation poured into it is staggering and all a matter of public record).

I remember the absolute horror and disdain I was treated with when people realized I supported gay rights and didn't think being gay was a sin. My husband was barred from positions at church and called demonic and evil for his own position on the same matter. If we couldn't guarantee we would "come into line" and stay in line always and forever we could come to church, but we couldn't serve in any leadership positions ever. And definitely we couldn't vote left, not even a tiny bit. This was - oh maybe 4 years ago?

This group is in large part Trump's base, and CK's base. I recognize so many things in their schtick that I was taught verbatim as a teen in church.

That's not to say the left (if you can call it that in America, less-right is probably more accurate) has it right. They do the same thing. Both are wrong. Both need talking down. But only one is in power at present, and enacting laws with very real harms attached. Because they are in the govt their behavior carries more weight. If the Democrats were in and behaving this way my answer would be the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

No, he just accepted that gun deaths are an unavoidable unfortunate consequence

The right to bear arms to Americans does NOT mean that they advocate killing people they disagree with!

One can support the right to have a gun but not support violence.

And before you start, I’m very anti-gun.

I didn't realise Kirk called for himself to be shot dead.

More speculation.

I repeat, no one yet knows the motivation of the shooter. Nothing was etched onto the cartridges, no manifesto has been found. Until some kind of evidence comes to light, you have no idea whether the victim's religion was a factor. Speculation like this helps no one, it allows rumours to spread with no consideration for truth. It's utterly irresponsible.

We're not about five years down the line. We banned hand guns after Dunblane.

Our knife laws are so strict It's difficult to carry anything more than a vegetable peeler in public without a reason.

We show no sign of imposing, expensive healthcare and not caring if the people can't afford it. The biggest cause of personal bankruptcies in the US, is because of medical bills.

We offer one year of maternity leave.Whereas the US is usually a few weeks unpaid.If they give any at all. They get about 10 days of paid annual leave if they get any at all. They have no workers rights.

We are not just a step behind from the US and we never will be.

Thank you. 😘

The problem though, is words incite.

Not according to Lucy Connolly fans.

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So well put.

Indeed the US isn't the UK, but we're usually about five years down the line. We mustn't let it happen.

This. ^ The tedious and continual threads bashing the England flags and anyone who flies them are boring me so much now that I just instantly hide them. Literally CBA to debate with such narrow minded people, who refuse to see anyone else's point of view but their own, and try and shout anyone down who DARES to have anything other than a left wing opinion.

I have seen 1 to 2 threads a DAY bleating about 'The Flags' for the past 2-3 weeks, and they all say the same thing. How many fucking threads does one subject need FFS?!

If there's one thing 'The Left' hate, it's ANYone who doesn't think the same as them ... They do NOT believe in free speech, for anyone (except themselves!)

They live in a leftie echo chamber, and scream 'racist,' 'bigot,' and 'thick as mince' at anyone who is not left wing. It's just white noise now, and I can't take anything they say seriously.

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So you accept that it is a guess then. Not "fact" as you were claiming. Yes, it could be someone with a political motivation. But that doesn't mean that you can call guesses "fact" until we know more.

The problem though, is words incite. If your followers are spoiling for a fight, a bit unstable, your words can have disastrous consequences - the insurrection and attack on the Capitol for example, incited by mere words. So those with a public platform have a duty to be mindful of the power of their words

Absolutely spot on. Progressive liberals aren't even recognised by some staunch leftists.

Yes it was interesting to me that my 17 yo knew immediately who he was yesterday when I didn’t really.

I think it should be checked for accuracy too