Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

THIS!!!

How does the death of a podcast bro eclipse the political assassination of two Democrat politicians???!

Is it normal for the House to have a minute's silence for murders? I was somewhat surprised given Kirk isn't an elected offical or on Trump's payroll.

But the commentators aren't killing anyone - they're commenting, using speech. So why are they being berated by proponents of free speech? Don't get me wrong, anyone making light of this murder should be ashamed of themselves, but still, free speech, innit?

He didn't advocate gun violence, but he absolutely opposed restrictions on gun control.

So yes, his death is ironic. Not ethically justifiable, but ironic. He supported the idea that guns should be carried by members of the general public, even on university campuses.

Interestingly, an American man was interviewed who had been stood right at the front at the time of shooting. He referenced an English man who said something as long the lines of “ at least it will stop him talking” as that man said, it’s a world wide issue

That says it all. The fact that you don't even know her name. (I blame the media, owned by oligarchs/power-hungry men, not you, for not knowing her name.)

I don't post about news/politics here at all, but this thread caught my attention precisely because I'm shocked at how many people are responding to Kirk's shooting when they didn't bat an eyelid at Hortman's, or the two school children who were killed the same day as Kirk. It just shows how far the media manipulates us and our focus.

As a Christian (Catholic) myself, I must strongly disagree.

You don’t get to Duct Tape Jesus to your head, all call yourself a “Christian”.

Living a Christian life means not supporting guns, or deaths from guns, or the death penalty, or stopping gay rights, it’s means welcoming refugees, looking after the sick and the less fortunate, helping the poor .. I could go on.

The “Christian Right” espouses some of the least Christian views I’ve ever seen.

To be fair you seem to be the one losing control in this exchange 🤷‍♀️

No, your post was ridiculous. You could have been making nuanced points about cultural differences, but instead you made yourself look like a fool by acting like Americans might as well be Martians compared to citizens of the UK. You said earlier that the two nations aren’t like brother and sister. That’s correct. It’s more like a parent and a rebellious child, who may have been influenced by other relatives and have her own ideas, but was taught by the parent growing up and bears the inescapable stamp of the parent’s DNA.

What a horrible post.

We speak the same language as south Africans too. Funnily enough that does not make one culturally similar.

You do realise most of the world listens to US pop music and TV?

Who's ignorant again ?

Those things are illegal. Expressing any legal viewpoint should be fine, however unpleasant others may find it.

But the commentators aren't killing anyone - they're commenting, using speech. So why are they being berated by proponents of free speech? Don't get me wrong, anyone making light of this murder should be ashamed of themselves, but still, free speech, innit?

But are they advocating killing the people who make these comments?

I can’t believe I‘m having to explain to adults that there’s a difference between disagreeing with someone and killing them.

Awful views according to me - yes. What's wrong with disliking homophobia for example? And believing in women's right to choose an abortion? Personally I think homophobic views and anti abortion views are awful.

So literally nothing is off the table? Incitement to rape, murder, sexually abuse children. Open discussion of paedophilia and how to go about it? All that is acceptable in the name of free speech?

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Do you think that people who are working class all have the same opinion on everything?

Totally agree. They are such snobs too and don't see the irony in berating the working class for daring to have an unapproved opinion, whilst pretending to champion socialist ideals about class.

The ‘poor Charlie’ brigade are championing free speech, whilst saying that some comments on his death are disgusting and unacceptable and need removing. Oh the irony. You can’t have it both ways.

Ask yourself why the murder of a minor celebrity with no public position has been all over the front pages, with flags lowered the half-staff on Federal buildings; yet the murder and attempted murder of two respected public servants, their spouses and dog (not to mention a long hit list of intended future targets, all political) got a fraction of the attention. Why?

Awful views according to me - yes. What's wrong with disliking homophobia for example? And believing in women's right to choose an abortion? Personally I think homophobic views and anti abortion views are awful.

Totally agree. They are such snobs too and don't see the irony in berating the working class for daring to have an unapproved opinion, whilst pretending to champion socialist ideals about class.

That isn’t what I said, and you know it. Why be so disingenuous?

Why do you think we’ve reached the point in human civilisation that these things are wrong and bad if they haven’t been talked about?

What do you propose? We hide bad ideas away to fester, or expose them to sunlight? Do you think problems disappear if people ignore them, don’t talk about them, don’t communicate?

Awful views according to you. And a lot of people agreed with him and shared those views. They’re as entitled to their opinions and beliefs as you are. You don’t have the monopoly on truth or goodness.

No one is raising him to sainthood now he’s dead. They’re regretting the fact that a 31 year old with two young children has been murdered, whatever his opinions were. You agree he didn’t deserve it.

There is nobody in custody and no known motive.

As such to make this about “Free Speech” is ridiculous.