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WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 22:58

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy/

Political violence on the rise.

People are getting angry when people have Political views they don't agree with. Freedom of speech must be allowed not shutdown.

Tragic news of a young family man shot by someone today. Please remember he was a human with a family. Violence is never ok.

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KTheGrey · 11/09/2025 14:37

PinkyFlamingo · 11/09/2025 10:54

I don't care about people taking me seriously. He had awful views on people, sexuality , abortion etc and whilst of course no-one deserves to be murdered for their personal opinions no matter how awful it's quite something else to see him almost raised to level of saint hood by some now just because he's dead

Yeah - that’s how martyrs are made. Whoever did this clearly didn’t think that aspect through.

One opinion he did hold was that we need to talk to people we don’t agree with and hear their views.

That is not something the person who shot him believes in - or apparently those who disagree with the views he held.

1dayatatime · 11/09/2025 14:35

@Idinnaenah

Maybe because the homophobic clips you refer don't actually exist.

If one thing Charlie Kirk espoused was pro reality backed up by facts and not prejudice.

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 14:30

GeneralPeter · 11/09/2025 14:29

Only in the same way that Camille Paglia is an acceptable casualty of rape, by her own logic.

Or in the same way that being killed by a car is "an acceptable price to pay" for crossing the road (i.e. you judge that the risk of it is an acceptable price to pay).

Mmm, no. Thats logic doesn’t work. Sorry.

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 14:29

WhatNextBanana · 11/09/2025 14:27

So he clearly says he DOESN'T HATE LGBT etc.

I genuinely can’t be arsed searching out the homophobic clips.
Also- being gay is NOT a lifestyle choice and anyone who says it is IS homophobic and can go f themselves.

GeneralPeter · 11/09/2025 14:29

GetOffMyLan · 11/09/2025 13:13

He was an acceptable casualty of gun violence according to his own logic

Only in the same way that Camille Paglia is an acceptable casualty of rape, by her own logic.

Or in the same way that being killed by a car is "an acceptable price to pay" for crossing the road (i.e. you judge that the risk of it is an acceptable price to pay).

hotelinfo · 11/09/2025 14:28

He will be remembered for being gunned down. But, he will also be remembered for saying he would insist his 10 year-old daughter would have to give birth if she had been raped. He said this would be 'something good, out of something bad.' U fortunately, the video is there

WhatNextBanana · 11/09/2025 14:27

1dayatatime · 11/09/2025 14:14

@MissConductUS

Some clips of Charlie Kirk and his views on gay and also LGBQ topics:

https://youtube.com/shorts/lamkA_zcz_4?feature=shared

So he clearly says he DOESN'T HATE LGBT etc.

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LittleYellowQueen · 11/09/2025 14:26

Zov · 11/09/2025 11:18

This. ^ The tedious and continual threads bashing the England flags and anyone who flies them are boring me so much now that I just instantly hide them. Literally CBA to debate with such narrow minded people, who refuse to see anyone else's point of view but their own, and try and shout anyone down who DARES to have anything other than a left wing opinion.

I have seen 1 to 2 threads a DAY bleating about 'The Flags' for the past 2-3 weeks, and they all say the same thing. How many fucking threads does one subject need FFS?!

If there's one thing 'The Left' hate, it's ANYone who doesn't think the same as them ... They do NOT believe in free speech, for anyone (except themselves!)

They live in a leftie echo chamber, and scream 'racist,' 'bigot,' and 'thick as mince' at anyone who is not left wing. It's just white noise now, and I can't take anything they say seriously.

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How ironic that you talk of hiding threads by people who hold a different opinion to your own, and in the same breath you're whining about "the left" who can't tolerate any views different to their own...

I'm sorry, who is it that's hiding threads because they can't tolerate any views except their own again, therefore creating themselves an echo chamber...?

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 14:23

I care because people shouldn’t be shot for their political views however abhorrent they are, but donI think the world is a better place without this man in it? Yes I do, unfortunately. The power he welded now was a fraction of what he would have in a few years time when he would no doubt actually run for public office rather than just making $$$$ as a far right mouth piece.

LittleYellowQueen · 11/09/2025 14:21

pointythings · 11/09/2025 14:20

He said that if his DD were rated at age 12 and got pregnant, he would make her give birth. That isn't a good man. Nothing to do with left or right. Misogyny happens on both sides of the political spectrum.

He's said it about a child as young as 5 years old (a real case).

LittleYellowQueen · 11/09/2025 14:20

Why are we supposed to care?

He hated anyone who wasn't a straight white conservative man.

He said if his 10 year old daughter was raped and got pregnant, he would force her to give birth.

He didn't care when schoolchildren were gunned down.

I hope in his last few seconds he appreciated the irony of him being killed by a gun.

"But he had a wife!" . So? I don't care about his wife either, she knew what he was and stood by him thereby condoning him. I feel sorry for his children that they had him for a father and that they apparently witnessed the event.

pointythings · 11/09/2025 14:20

Zov · 11/09/2025 14:12

@GetOffMyLan

Dangermoo, you seem really upset over the death of a horrible, bigoted white supremacist. Weird.

Yep, he was a shitty person!

Andddd.. I rest my case! Ladies and gentlemen...... I give you the 'kind,' and 'compassionate,' and warm and friendly, LEFT WING ... 😎

Doesn't take long for them to show their true (vicious and vitriolic) colours, does it now?!

As you were folks.

He said that if his DD were rated at age 12 and got pregnant, he would make her give birth. That isn't a good man. Nothing to do with left or right. Misogyny happens on both sides of the political spectrum.

Zov · 11/09/2025 14:12

@GetOffMyLan

Dangermoo, you seem really upset over the death of a horrible, bigoted white supremacist. Weird.

Yep, he was a shitty person!

Andddd.. I rest my case! Ladies and gentlemen...... I give you the 'kind,' and 'compassionate,' and warm and friendly, LEFT WING ... 😎

Doesn't take long for them to show their true (vicious and vitriolic) colours, does it now?!

As you were folks.

pointythings · 11/09/2025 14:09

GetOffMyLan · 11/09/2025 14:04

Yep, he was a shitty person

It's that inconvenient separation of Church and State that they think they have (and don't actually have). The evangelical nut jobs can believe what they want, but they don't get to force me to live according to their beliefs.

And if you quote the Bible in support of persecuting gay people, you're a rubbish person.

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 14:07

The death penalty will be called for, no doubt, if/when they catch the killer. American’s tend to revel in revenge over justice.

GetOffMyLan · 11/09/2025 14:06

Dangermoos · 11/09/2025 11:37

You'd like that, wouldn't you? You maybe right. However, whatever piece of vermin shot his neck to pieces, will hopefully meet the death penalty.

You seem really upset over the death of a horrible, bigoted white supremacist. Weird.

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 14:05

It’s a bit galling to have him held up as some brave, beacon of free speech and goodness TBH - rather than the self serving, controversial, arrogant pundit making $$$ out of division many could see him as.
Tough on his kids though, I feel for them losing a parent so young and in such a violent manner.

GetOffMyLan · 11/09/2025 14:04

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 13:46

He quoted a verse in Leviticus used to justify stoning gay people to death and said it was part of ‘God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.’
The context was him criticising a kids entertainer for saving ‘love your neighbour’ when talking about accepting all people incl The gay ones.
hes called gay people ‘an error’ and said being gay is like being an alkie or a drug addict.

the man was a right wing, bigot. There weren’t many none white- men he didn’t go after to be fair to him. Not just the gays. Pretty much anyone who didn’t look or think like him.
So far, so MAGA. Thats not speaking ill of the dead, just stating facts. Like the fact he thought deaths and murders in the US due to guns was an acceptable price to pay for the ‘right’ to protect’god given’ freedoms.

All of this is documented - filmed, videoed, available to see for anyone who cares to. He wasn’t embarrassed about his extreme views, he revelled in them - it’s how he made his $$$$. The more controversial, the more clicks and the more $$$ in his pocket.

I view all religious extremists as the same BTW, I don’t care which faith they purport to represent. They should be nowhere near our Civil rights and laws.

Yep, he was a shitty person

GetOffMyLan · 11/09/2025 14:02

Linenpickle · 10/09/2025 23:31

This world lacks common sense. What’s next… someone gets stabbed because they disagree with someone claiming they are a fucking cat?

What an idiotic comparison. A more apt one would be, someone gets stabbed after they say "everyone should carry a knife on them at all times and sometimes people will get stabbed but that's just the price we pay for carrying knives". Fixed it.

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 13:46

MissConductUS · 11/09/2025 13:27

I can't find anything on line to support the idea that he thought gay people deserved to be killed. Can you provide some support for that idea as expressed in your post?

He quoted a verse in Leviticus used to justify stoning gay people to death and said it was part of ‘God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.’
The context was him criticising a kids entertainer for saving ‘love your neighbour’ when talking about accepting all people incl The gay ones.
hes called gay people ‘an error’ and said being gay is like being an alkie or a drug addict.

the man was a right wing, bigot. There weren’t many none white- men he didn’t go after to be fair to him. Not just the gays. Pretty much anyone who didn’t look or think like him.
So far, so MAGA. Thats not speaking ill of the dead, just stating facts. Like the fact he thought deaths and murders in the US due to guns was an acceptable price to pay for the ‘right’ to protect’god given’ freedoms.

All of this is documented - filmed, videoed, available to see for anyone who cares to. He wasn’t embarrassed about his extreme views, he revelled in them - it’s how he made his $$$$. The more controversial, the more clicks and the more $$$ in his pocket.

I view all religious extremists as the same BTW, I don’t care which faith they purport to represent. They should be nowhere near our Civil rights and laws.

Aleshafromtheblock · 11/09/2025 13:40

Remember: They don't want to hear your opinion. They want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.

hotelinfo · 11/09/2025 13:35

It's very shocking that a speaker on a university campus could be assassinated in this way. To be honest, I'd never watched any of his online stuff. I was surprised that my older DC both instantly knew who he was though. One if them saw him speak fairly recently at Cambridge in the Union.

It was obviously a trained marksman who shot him, judging by the level of accuracy with just one shot. Very traumatic for anyone in that crowd to witness, and horrific that it was instantly shared on social media. Horrendous for his family.

Whoever shot him, for whatever reason, is stupid, as well as a murderer, because now this guy will become a martyr to the MAGA , ultra-Christian, anti-abortion anti- immigration agenda.

Is it true that this man was once asked whether if he had a 12 year-old daughter, and she became pregnant from incest or another type if rape, would he still insist on her having the baby.... and he said yes, he would???!!! Can this be true?

MissConductUS · 11/09/2025 13:27

Idinnaenah · 11/09/2025 10:56

As it’s all made up it really is irrelevant I suppose. If you think someone who thinks gay people deserve to be killed for being gay is a good Christian then you do.

I can't find anything on line to support the idea that he thought gay people deserved to be killed. Can you provide some support for that idea as expressed in your post?

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