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Teacher told my child that child is not a Muslim

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Jkam24 · 10/09/2025 20:45

My daughter has recently started reception and asked me today if our family are Muslims, to which I said yes. She then started crying saying her teacher told her that she (my daughter) is not a Muslim. Is it unreasonable to be angry about this?

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GleisZwei · 11/09/2025 12:51

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:30

Yes, when I was a child non-Catholics used to refer to Catholics going to 'the chapel'.

Folk still say that where I grew up.

GleisZwei · 11/09/2025 12:49

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:36

I had a colleague who pronounced it with the hard G. (In Scotland.). People mispronounced it all the time, I'm afraid.

Yes, I knew of at least 2 hard G folk called Gillian.

GleisZwei · 11/09/2025 12:49

Pogoda · 11/09/2025 12:29

Wow, that's interesting.
If what she said was truth, children would not be baptised as babies and schools would not ask for religious food restrictions at school.
Small children may not understand the concept of a religion, but generally parents bring them up in some kind of a religion or baptise them, in which case the religion is already chosen for them.
My son was 7 or 8 when he decided he is a Hindu and won't eat beef. Since then he has rejected beef as a school lunch option and told everybody he is a Hindu. But until then we just didn't really care, as my husband said "small children have no idea what is in the food, so they cannot do the wrong thing". My other son is 5 and still has no idea.
BTW, we are a Hindu/Catholic family and we never imposed on our children one religion or the other (i.e. no baptism until they decide what they want). We go to temples or churches in respective festivals or some religious events but have friends of all faiths. We don't eat beef/pork, so I guess that's the only thing that might stick with kids at some point.

Children are baptised as a result of parents actions/words. That's another discussion for another day though.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:47

TheignT · 11/09/2025 12:37

Honestly I used to get so confused. The worst one was my cousin's would warn me I kicked with the left but if anyone in the playground asked I was to say I kicked with the right. Would have been so much better to just say if anyone asks you kick with the right. Being asked about football was as bad, now remember TheignT you support Celtic but if anyone asks you support Rangers. Id say but I don't like football. My Orange cousins must have thought this English child is thick.

Oh Lord. I could never remember which foot was which!

My late husband was from Aberdeenshire. He told me that when he was in the army someone from Dundee (I think) asked "Do you eat pie or cake?" Again, I can't remember which food was supposed to signify being a Protestant or a Catholic.

My dad was from Eastern Europe. People used to get really confused about him...He was Orthodox Christian. At one point, we had a rather bigoted neighbour who thought that dad was a Polish Catholic. I kid you not, the neighbour painted a clothes pole in his garden silver with orange accents at the crossbar bit and flew a union flag from it. (Flags never bothered Dad. The irony is that Dad was a Displaced Person who'd served alongside the British army.)

As an adult, I found out that some of my Scottish cousins thought that Dad was an Orthodox Jew who had abandoned all dietary requirements, etc.

ToeSucker · 11/09/2025 12:47

As much as I agree with the teachers opinion, it's very much an opinion and not one she should be trying to teach a 4 year old. Sorry OP I think you should escalate this, even if gently.

Rewis · 11/09/2025 12:47

What an insane thing to say to a young child. I wonder where she draws the line.

Merrymouse · 11/09/2025 12:44

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:12

Teacher said she did say it because she doesn't think children can have a religion. I didn't say much but will have a think on how to move forward - it's ok for her to think that but not for her to say it, but I am not looking to get her into trouble, rather to clarify that stating this out loud to a child is beyond her position.

To the rest of you - learn to articulate yourself without prejudices and swearing as you've just proved the point that such views exist. I wonder why people think it's ok to speak to people like shit and whether they would think it's ok to speak to someone in the same way face to face!

Edited

To a child in reception? Is the teacher an idiot? This is the kind of philosophical discussion you have with a child of at least secondary school age.

IkaBaar · 11/09/2025 12:38

As a Humanist I kind of agree with her. It is what Humanists believe that children are not religious themselves more that they are e.g. the child of Christians. However, why would you say that to a small child, a small child who is too young to understand or debate this! It’s not an appropriate thing for a teacher to say to a four year old.

Salome61 · 11/09/2025 12:38

Wow op, I am astounded she did say it, how could she think that is acceptable? Teachers are very important figures in young people's lives and memories. I am glad your child is OK.

I'll never forget going to view a house and the viewing agent (about 30 ish) suddenly said 'I recognise you from Richmond Tertiary College. Is 'XX' still there?'. I said yes and he said 'please tell her you met XX and he has made something of himself,'. The lecturer he was referring to was very young when she was recruited and I had worried about her at the time - 16 years later he wanted his message of success relayed to her.

TheignT · 11/09/2025 12:37

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:30

Yes, when I was a child non-Catholics used to refer to Catholics going to 'the chapel'.

Honestly I used to get so confused. The worst one was my cousin's would warn me I kicked with the left but if anyone in the playground asked I was to say I kicked with the right. Would have been so much better to just say if anyone asks you kick with the right. Being asked about football was as bad, now remember TheignT you support Celtic but if anyone asks you support Rangers. Id say but I don't like football. My Orange cousins must have thought this English child is thick.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:36

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 10:44

Right, I've lived in England all my life and never heard it pronounced with a soft G. Would that be like a French pronunciation.?
School friends, colleagues, neighbours..all Gillian with a hard G , as if it's spelled Jillian.

I had a colleague who pronounced it with the hard G. (In Scotland.). People mispronounced it all the time, I'm afraid.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/09/2025 12:30

TheignT · 11/09/2025 08:58

Can be awkward with terms people use. My granny was a proud Orange woman, I'm a Catholic. According to granny I didn't go to church I went to chapel and she went to church. I found that confusing as a child. That child's confusion was different to mine but probably felt similar.

At grammar school friends thought the biggest thing about being Catholic was we got priority for fish and chips on Fridays. Fish and chips was the most popular meal so non Catholics often missed out.

Yes, when I was a child non-Catholics used to refer to Catholics going to 'the chapel'.

Pogoda · 11/09/2025 12:29

Wow, that's interesting.
If what she said was truth, children would not be baptised as babies and schools would not ask for religious food restrictions at school.
Small children may not understand the concept of a religion, but generally parents bring them up in some kind of a religion or baptise them, in which case the religion is already chosen for them.
My son was 7 or 8 when he decided he is a Hindu and won't eat beef. Since then he has rejected beef as a school lunch option and told everybody he is a Hindu. But until then we just didn't really care, as my husband said "small children have no idea what is in the food, so they cannot do the wrong thing". My other son is 5 and still has no idea.
BTW, we are a Hindu/Catholic family and we never imposed on our children one religion or the other (i.e. no baptism until they decide what they want). We go to temples or churches in respective festivals or some religious events but have friends of all faiths. We don't eat beef/pork, so I guess that's the only thing that might stick with kids at some point.

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:29

@GleisZwei well this is where I'm coming from. @CatrionaBalfour I'm sure she didn't miss any training, rather just said it "factually" but it still rubbed me up wrong. I think the conversation is enough for now but will keep an eye and ear out on things.

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Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:27

@CatrionaBalfour people are sort of seen as silly if they say their child is advanced, as everyone else gets funny about it assuming it's just a parent thinking they're child is a genius / angel etc. And that's not what was happening here on my end - but people DO get up in arms about it. A common pattern in this thread seems to be a lot of people throwing around denial of people's experience - gaslighting in a subtle (or not so) way. I'm sure you mean well but - it happens.

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GleisZwei · 11/09/2025 12:25

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:12

Teacher said she did say it because she doesn't think children can have a religion. I didn't say much but will have a think on how to move forward - it's ok for her to think that but not for her to say it, but I am not looking to get her into trouble, rather to clarify that stating this out loud to a child is beyond her position.

To the rest of you - learn to articulate yourself without prejudices and swearing as you've just proved the point that such views exist. I wonder why people think it's ok to speak to people like shit and whether they would think it's ok to speak to someone in the same way face to face!

Edited

Technically the teacher is correct (afterall, would your daughter be any religion if you/OH weren't telling her she was that religion?), however she probably should NOT express that view at school.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 12:24

Flakey99 · 11/09/2025 12:22

Wow, that’s appalling. You definitely need to bring this to the Head’s attention asap. What other shit opinions is she pedalling?

It’s no different to her saying that a child can’t possibly be Jewish and she’d be severely reprimanded for saying that!

She'd face a disciplinary for saying it about any religion. Not just Jewish.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 12:24

Think about it, @Jkam24 , because she needs to stop doing this, and it's certainly not school policy. You could speak to the HT without making it a complaint. Perhaps she could undergo further training rather than have a disciplinary, although why she has missed this vital information from previous CPDs is a mystery.
I wouldn't just let it go.

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:23

@BlackeyedSusan yes, I think it was important to my daughter to be the same as me even if she doesn't conceptually understand religion! But she's ok and has forgotten all about it as children do.

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Flakey99 · 11/09/2025 12:22

Wow, that’s appalling. You definitely need to bring this to the Head’s attention asap. What other shit opinions is she pedalling?

It’s no different to her saying that a child can’t possibly be Jewish and she’d be severely reprimanded for saying that!

GreenAndWhiteStripes · 11/09/2025 12:21

Thanks for updating OP. I agree that you do need to follow up on this.

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:21

I won't be taking it to the head as I think it will just escalate everything in a manner it doesn't need to and demonise the teacher who probably did not mean it with malice and said something without thinking. I'll probably speak to her again one to one and tbh she can do with it what she will. If she truly cares about children she'll reflect on it and hopefully avoid it in future.

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BlackeyedSusan · 11/09/2025 12:19

Oh bloody hell.

I taught little kids. To some of them it is really important to be Muslim etc.

Not the teacher's place to state things so clearly. It is always a some people believe this and others that situation.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 12:17

Yes, this most definitely needs to be followed up.

Onmytod24 · 11/09/2025 12:15

Thank you. I can imagine this isn’t the first time this teacher’s thoughts have got in the way of her actions. I hope you’ll come back to the thread and tell us what you did next