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Teacher told my child that child is not a Muslim

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Jkam24 · 10/09/2025 20:45

My daughter has recently started reception and asked me today if our family are Muslims, to which I said yes. She then started crying saying her teacher told her that she (my daughter) is not a Muslim. Is it unreasonable to be angry about this?

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swimsong · 11/09/2025 16:31

Differentforgirls · 11/09/2025 16:17

Here's a further point. She believed her daughter and guess what? She was right to. So the further point is - read the updates!

That's assuming that the whole story is true. To me, it has the ring of a hypothetical. And/or maybe it's a weird reverse and the OP is the teacher.

Jaws2025 · 11/09/2025 16:28

If someone had told me at that age that I wasn't a Christian, I would have linked that with me not going to heaven. So would probably have started crying too!
I think it's a ridiculous thing to say. A child can clearly come from a Muslim, Christian whatever family and consider themselves to be an x. I assume she'd think it fine for a child to say they were a humanist.
I wouldn't let this go acyually, not without a wee word with the Head.

BloominNora · 11/09/2025 16:27

PossibleIm · 10/09/2025 21:55

Op don't you think the more pertinent issue here is a Four year old feels this is worth crying over ?
My DC were told mummy loosely follwed the Catholic faith and went to Catholic school there is no way at any age let aloneage four they would come home crying if a teacher said they weren't Catholic
I think that's what you need to focus on

Oh come on - four year olds get emotional over all sorts of things - especially after a long day at school.

When my DD was in reception, she came out of school crying one day because "Mrs X keeps calling me <DD's long name>"

When I, very confused, said "Well - that is your name?!?"

She replied "No, my name is <DDs Short Name>, <DD's long name> is my naughty name"

Because of course we'd always used her short name at home and only ever used her long name when she was being told off for something! I had to go into school and ask them to make sure they used her short name from now on and it is still something she insists on now

Hankunamatata · 11/09/2025 16:26

What an odd thing for the teacher to say that she doesnt think children can have a religion. Surely lots of children are raised in a set religion and isn't that stated on the school forms?

So this isn't just a thing about Islam, she views all religions the same or both viewing them at all.
So does she think that religious diet requests should be ignored?

Is there the teachers own cultural difference coming into play? Are they from the UK or been raised in a secular school system in a different country?

Differentforgirls · 11/09/2025 16:17

HairsprayBabe · 11/09/2025 14:23

My reception child has told me since he started school last week

  • a bird flew out of the toilet
  • miss lets him have 4 puddings everyday
  • they do nothing but watch pokemon
  • the TA slipped on a poo in the toilet
  • all of another child's teeth fell out
  • the head teacher only ever talks about Jesus all day (she said a prayer at assembly)

my point being why would you believe her?

Here's a further point. She believed her daughter and guess what? She was right to. So the further point is - read the updates!

PoppySaidYesIKnow · 11/09/2025 16:16

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:12

Teacher said she did say it because she doesn't think children can have a religion. I didn't say much but will have a think on how to move forward - it's ok for her to think that but not for her to say it, but I am not looking to get her into trouble, rather to clarify that stating this out loud to a child is beyond her position.

To the rest of you - learn to articulate yourself without prejudices and swearing as you've just proved the point that such views exist. I wonder why people think it's ok to speak to people like shit and whether they would think it's ok to speak to someone in the same way face to face!

Edited

Teacher’s opinion is odd here I’m afraid, and I would be more concerned, not less, that she voiced this. In what context? When children start school, parents are asked for the child’s religion as this is noted on their school record. If a child is baptised as Catholic or C of E, for instance, then this is their religion. Surely teachers know and understand this. Up to you if you take it further but I’d certainly make a mental note and would not be surprised if these views surface again.

arcticpandas · 11/09/2025 16:12

I agree with the teacher but I would never have said it to a child. It's for the parents to decide whether they want to indoctrinate their children with any religion (catholic, jewish, islam, bouddhist). My father was very religious but with my mother he chose not to baptise his kids saying that it was for us to make this decision when we had sufficient critical thinking skills to be able to do so. I'm an atheist but I have told my sons that there are many people who believe in different Gods and they are free to do so as well. It's about respecting their free will.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 16:11

LBFseBrom · 11/09/2025 16:00

You could be right about that, Catriona. It is very good that the op spoke to the teacher who was most unprofessional.

I agree, plus it should be taken to the HT.

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 16:10

OP I'm sorry, I feel for you. I have not read any comments except yours, from your posts I can guess you're getting flack and that would make me angry. I am not Muslim or particularly religious but I feel every parent has the right to make religious decisions for their child. And that it should be respected. It's a very worrying thing if teachers are trying to remove the carpet from children and make them doubt themselves. It is not just undermining you as the parent and mother. It is undermining the child. And their sense of themselves. A teacher has no right to do that to a child. I feel the teacher is way out of order, and if I were you I would truly take it further. I would at least, at the very least, speak to the head. Because it's not just about your child, that teacher could be harming a lot of other children, regardless of their religion. But I understand if you don't want to, and I just wanted to offer support and a hand hold.Flowers

moofolk · 11/09/2025 16:10

Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 10/09/2025 20:52

When my dd was 4 she can home hysterical her teacher had said she was a Human Being and she didn't want to be one.
4 year olds get easily mixed up.

I had the same thing! One of mine was in absolute floods of tears, inconsolable because he really didn’t want to ‘grow up into a human’.

Sunshineandoranges · 11/09/2025 16:08

I am amazed that a teacher would say a child can’t have a religion..that is odd indeed. A Catholic child is baptised as a baby and is a Catholic from that point. I am not religious but would have to have argued that point with her.

Hoppinggreen · 11/09/2025 16:06

SnugglyJumpersMakeItBetter · 11/09/2025 15:48

Where did he even here the word 'drugs' and connect it with gummies?

DH takes BP medication and refers to his tablets as "drugs"

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/09/2025 16:02

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:12

Teacher said she did say it because she doesn't think children can have a religion. I didn't say much but will have a think on how to move forward - it's ok for her to think that but not for her to say it, but I am not looking to get her into trouble, rather to clarify that stating this out loud to a child is beyond her position.

To the rest of you - learn to articulate yourself without prejudices and swearing as you've just proved the point that such views exist. I wonder why people think it's ok to speak to people like shit and whether they would think it's ok to speak to someone in the same way face to face!

Edited

This strikes me as an utterly baffling thing for the teacher to think or to say, @Jkam24. Many children are raised in their parents’ religions - babies are baptised into the C of E or the Catholic Church, and I always thought this meant they were considered to be members of the church family - and I can’t see why it would be any different if you are raising a child in another faith.

I would definitely believe that a child raised in a Muslim family is a Muslim themselves - part of that whole family of faith.

If children ‘have no religion’, why do some children who die have religious funerals? I believe they have a religious funeral because they are part of the family of that religion.

LBFseBrom · 11/09/2025 16:00

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 15:13

I suspect if she feels at liberty to say something so inappropriate to a Muslim child, she would no doubt say the same to an Orthodox Jewish child or a Catholic.
She shouldn't say it at all, that's the point. It should be followed up, as most of us are saying.

You could be right about that, Catriona. It is very good that the op spoke to the teacher who was most unprofessional.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/09/2025 15:51

Sunflowergirl1 · 11/09/2025 15:50

Suggest you check out what was said in reality before you go off on one

She has and the teacher did say it

Sunflowergirl1 · 11/09/2025 15:50

Jkam24 · 10/09/2025 20:45

My daughter has recently started reception and asked me today if our family are Muslims, to which I said yes. She then started crying saying her teacher told her that she (my daughter) is not a Muslim. Is it unreasonable to be angry about this?

Suggest you check out what was said in reality before you go off on one

Brunettesmorefun · 11/09/2025 15:49

poppy2024 · 11/09/2025 15:33

100% need to go to the head.

But its hard to believe anybody any more, there is that much social media bullshit

I find it very hard to believe that a teacher would say that especially to a 4 year old.

SnugglyJumpersMakeItBetter · 11/09/2025 15:48

Hoppinggreen · 11/09/2025 15:29

In Y1 my DS told his teacher
"Mummy has left and Daddy is trying to get me to take drugs"
I had gone to London for work for 2 days and DH was encouraging him to take Peppa Pig vitamin gummies .
Fun phone call

Where did he even here the word 'drugs' and connect it with gummies?

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/09/2025 15:47

HairsprayBabe · 11/09/2025 14:23

My reception child has told me since he started school last week

  • a bird flew out of the toilet
  • miss lets him have 4 puddings everyday
  • they do nothing but watch pokemon
  • the TA slipped on a poo in the toilet
  • all of another child's teeth fell out
  • the head teacher only ever talks about Jesus all day (she said a prayer at assembly)

my point being why would you believe her?

Because it was true. Read the OP's update.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/09/2025 15:47

Anactor · 11/09/2025 15:44

Yes, I was wondering if they’re a very new teacher, or if this is their first year in Reception. It’s the sort of mistake you’d expect someone to make if they were used to KS2 and hadn’t made the mental adjustment down to ‘barely old enough for school.’

They shouldn't be saying it at all. It's not acceptable at any Key Stage.
If they're new, they would surely be up to speed on all the DEI training?

Anactor · 11/09/2025 15:44

Merrymouse · 11/09/2025 15:32

From what the OP has said, this isn't the case, but my first assumption would be that this wasn't the teacher, but a volunteer or (very inexperienced) TA.

The underlying assumptions about what a 4 year old can comprehend seem very off.

Yes, I was wondering if they’re a very new teacher, or if this is their first year in Reception. It’s the sort of mistake you’d expect someone to make if they were used to KS2 and hadn’t made the mental adjustment down to ‘barely old enough for school.’

poppy2024 · 11/09/2025 15:33

100% need to go to the head.

But its hard to believe anybody any more, there is that much social media bullshit

Merrymouse · 11/09/2025 15:32

Anactor · 11/09/2025 14:53

Write down the date and time in case there’s further issues. But you do need a one to one in which you point out that she’s using concepts that are much too advanced for a four year old. Your poor child has barely reached the stage of ‘other people believe different things’. Philosophical opinions on whether children can have a religion is just completely over her head (and actually upset her).

There’s a reason an RE curriculum develops concepts according to age and a good teacher should be aware of that.

From what the OP has said, this isn't the case, but my first assumption would be that this wasn't the teacher, but a volunteer or (very inexperienced) TA.

The underlying assumptions about what a 4 year old can comprehend seem very off.

Hoppinggreen · 11/09/2025 15:29

In Y1 my DS told his teacher
"Mummy has left and Daddy is trying to get me to take drugs"
I had gone to London for work for 2 days and DH was encouraging him to take Peppa Pig vitamin gummies .
Fun phone call

LittleBitofBread · 11/09/2025 15:26

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:21

I won't be taking it to the head as I think it will just escalate everything in a manner it doesn't need to and demonise the teacher who probably did not mean it with malice and said something without thinking. I'll probably speak to her again one to one and tbh she can do with it what she will. If she truly cares about children she'll reflect on it and hopefully avoid it in future.

I WOULD take it to the head. A good head will not demonise their staff member but will deal with it constructively and calmly.
This was really not an OK thing to say and, again, a good head will know that and will be keen for it not to be thought OK in their school's culture.