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To be annoyed that my employer won’t let me go part time?

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Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 20:09

I currently work full time 5 days a week. I made a flexible working request to go part time to 2 days a week because of personal circumstances (family circumstances) but it was declined. I’m annoyed though because there are other people (2 other people) working in the company only 2 days a week so it’s not unheard of. But they won’t consider it because I’m a head of department (not in a school and nothing to do with education or academics) and they also won’t give me another role in the company either which can be 2 days a week. I feel like I could cry with stress, I can’t afford to not work at all but can’t work 5 days a week at the moment either due to circumstances. I explained on my request that part time 2 days a week might not be permanent but they still declined the request. Both my boss and the managing director are always moaning that they “dread the day” I leave because “there’s no one in the business as good as” me so it’s baffling to me that they wouldn’t approve the 2 days a week knowing that I can’t work full time 5 days a week at the moment but then at the same time always say that they don’t want me to leave the company and would do anything to stop me leaving. I haven’t decided if I should appeal it yet or not, I don’t know what to do. I’m just really upset and have been crying about it because I can’t afford not to work at all and can’t do full time at the moment either. I’m also very annoyed with my employer too for rejecting the request. AIBU to be annoyed with my employer about this?

OP posts:
Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:09

Chicaontour · 10/09/2025 21:06

you are on dodgy ground here, they are currently paying you for 5 so you are only productive 40% of the time, please please please dont phrase it like this. Say that you propose to do the highest value of your job in 2 days and you can outsource X Y and Z, the worst scenario possible is that you do 100% of your job with 40% of your wages which is effectively what you are proposing. You are super stressed and i get this but this is a really really poor outcome for you.

That’s how I have been saying it to them and that’s what I meant too when I said that my job could be done in 2 days (I did mean it is possible to cover the work on the other days and I explained to them in detail how that could be done), that I can do the highest value of the role and I have been explaining to them how the other work could be reorganised/covered and so on. I’ve been careful with how I put it across to them. I didn’t explain what I meant properly on my earlier comments, sorry.

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redskydelight · 10/09/2025 21:09

Is the family commitment you need to reduce your working time for, something that you absolutely have to be the one to support. Is there a friend or a family member that could do it instead? Can you employ someone?

Gizlotsmum · 10/09/2025 21:08

What was their business reason for refusing the request? That is what you need to appeal. If they just want you in 5 days because you are a department head then that sucks. You need to show how going to 2 days won’t be a detriment. If you seriously think you can do your job in 2 days that puts you in a risky position, however is there an element of your job (interactions with people, making decisions that needs you to be around 5 days a week, even if you think it could wait?)

Rubyredshoes12 · 10/09/2025 21:08

Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:07

I guess you could say that but not in the usual sense, it’s very hard to explain

It sounds complex. I really would have the discussion with your employer about 3 days.

Sorry you’re in this position.

Biskieboo · 10/09/2025 21:07

I too am struggling to understand how this could work. We don't know what the OP's exact job is, and I know that sometimes as the head of a team if everything is going well then you may well not have much to do. But part of being a head-of with line management responsibilities is to be there if the shit hits the fan. Which is why part-time head-of roles are few and far between, and 2-day-pw ones unheard of. I did once have a manager who supposedly worked 4 days, but more often than not he was doing a lot of stuff on his non-working day anyway; it just didn't work.

Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:07

Rubyredshoes12 · 10/09/2025 21:06

Is it due to childcare reasons?

I guess you could say that but not in the usual sense, it’s very hard to explain

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Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:06

I feel it’s hard to explain on here why I need 2 days or 3 days without explaining the full circumstances.

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Rubyredshoes12 · 10/09/2025 21:06

Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:06

I can’t. I can’t do that because mental or physical health problems are not the reason I need to go part time, so that’s not an option.

Is it due to childcare reasons?

Chicaontour · 10/09/2025 21:06

Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 20:17

They won’t consider a job share either.

If they had approved my request they wouldn’t have needed to hire someone else though because I could have absolutely done my job in 2 days a week, it is possible to do my job in 2 days a week in my opinion.

you are on dodgy ground here, they are currently paying you for 5 so you are only productive 40% of the time, please please please dont phrase it like this. Say that you propose to do the highest value of your job in 2 days and you can outsource X Y and Z, the worst scenario possible is that you do 100% of your job with 40% of your wages which is effectively what you are proposing. You are super stressed and i get this but this is a really really poor outcome for you.

lizzyBennet08 · 10/09/2025 21:06

i don't know of any head of department role that could be done in 2 days a week. What happens when decisions are needed in a hurry. I think it was always a long shot.

Bahhhhhumbug · 10/09/2025 21:06

.Are you in politics by any chance ? Because you seem determined to evade the question many posters have asked i.e. How can your five days a week job be done in two days?

Topoftheroof · 10/09/2025 21:06

Waterweight · 10/09/2025 20:57

You'll need to get signed off work with mental or physical health problems & potentially offer to come back to help out if necessary

I can’t. I can’t do that because mental or physical health problems are not the reason I need to go part time, so that’s not an option.

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Idinnaenah · 10/09/2025 21:04

MidnightPatrol · 10/09/2025 20:17

Going from 5 days a week to 2 is a huge change though. Could you do more days?

They may be willing to negotiate if they really want you to stay.

This. Inwould ask for 4 and see how you get on. You are brave to tell them your job can be done in 2 days, if that’s actually true .

jacks11 · 10/09/2025 21:04

YABU

They clearly don’t agree you can do your job adequately in 2 days and you clearly did not convince them otherwise at your meeting. They are totally justified in refusing your request if they can reasonably conclude that your request would be detrimental to the functioning of the business/ institution/ organisation.

Your employers duty of care extends to considering your application and giving you their reasoning for declining it, if they do so. I appreciate you are stressed and feel you are in a difficult situation- you haven’t said what it is- but they are not necessarily failing in their duty of care because they are not giving you what you feel would work for you. They have considered your application, has a meeting with you and so it’s not clear in what way you feel they have failed- other than the fact they did not agree with your assessment that your job could be done in 2/5ths of the time you currently work.

I’d be very surprised if you are correct you can do your job, in its entirety and to a high standard, in 2 days when you currently work 5 days. I’d be really surprised that a head of department could be so part-time and still fulfill the requirements of their role. Who makes decisions that need a HoD level sign off of you are not there 3/5ths of the working week, for instance? That seems unworkable and leaves your team very unsupported.

The fact that you cannot find a job elsewhere at your level that is only 2 days per week would tend to support your employers stance, in all honesty.

I think you are also putting yourself in an incredibly vulnerable position but telling your employer that your duties and responsibilities can be fully, satisfactorily completed in 2/5 of the time you use currently. That rather calls into question what you are doing now- you are clearly underworked and must spend a lot of time twiddling your thumbs. If true, your employer may decide that your role as it stands is obsolete and the department/the business could be reorganised to abolish your role and reallocate parts elsewhere or achieved in a different way. If you’ve told them you only need 2/5ths of your hours to do manage what you do currently, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they start looking into whether what you have requested is accurate.

You can be excellent at your job, your employer could think a great deal of you and be prepared to make a lot of concessions to keep you- but very, very few people are 100% irreplaceable. Your employer has clearly shown you today that they will not do anything to keep you. There is a limit- this is clearly it.

your best bet, I think , is to speak with your employer about what level of reduced hours they would consider. It could be on a temporary basis, to see whether it works for both parties. But you’d have to be prepared with what you might do if it does not work and they need you back full time. They may not wish to consider temporary changes, in case you then try to argue it set a precedent.

SapphOhNo · 10/09/2025 21:04

Waterweight · 10/09/2025 20:57

You'll need to get signed off work with mental or physical health problems & potentially offer to come back to help out if necessary

This is what's wrong with people abusing the system.

MummaMummaMumma · 10/09/2025 21:02

If you're telling them it can be done in 2 days a week, why would they pay you for 5?

CoralOP · 10/09/2025 21:01

OP I used to approve or reject flexible working as part of my HR role. I was very flexible and lenient, I would do anything I could to help people achieve a better work, life balance.
However there's no way I could approve you going from 5 to 2 days, you have people reporting to you, they can't contact you for days. You are in a senior role which comes with responsibility. You can't ask them to distribute your other 3 days of work and responsibilities to 'someone else'.
Even when senior staff ask for 4 days it's a big upheaval and has to be carefully considered, asking for 2 days just isn't going to happen.
They really are not being unreasonable and you need to be careful about announcing your job can be easily done in 2 days.

Oscarsmom71 · 10/09/2025 21:00

So you are currently being paid 5 days when your work. Can be done in 2. So what do you do first the other 3 days.
As a Manager I would not consider anyone just doing 2 days. 3 days but not 2. And they’d only if hours can be backfilled.
it causes all sorts of issues.
You need to remember the needs of the business must always come first.
You seem to want it all your own way.
You probably need to reconsider.

FourIsNewSix · 10/09/2025 20:58

Would you be able to work two hours a day from home on the other days?

When I was finishing my degree, I did some project management work (so leading something, but not the head of department role) and I was working two full days and 2 hours a day on the other days.
That way I was able to deal with incoming client requirements, coordinate with the part timers in my team who worked on different days, nothing waited for me longer than a few hours, and my team got big chunks of uninterrupted focus time.

It worked well for everyone, but those hours on the other days and some additional flexibility on my side we're essential (and paid).

FlowerUser · 10/09/2025 20:58

If they're so worried you'll leave, then quit.

Go and work in a supermarket or call centre.

If they really want/need you, then they should support you. Maybe they think you're not serious.

I had a job where they said I was irreplaceable so I asked for a pay rise which was refused. When I quit, the first words out of my manager's mouth were, "you cant do that!" To which I replied, "I just did.".

Waterweight · 10/09/2025 20:57

You'll need to get signed off work with mental or physical health problems & potentially offer to come back to help out if necessary

FatCatSkinnyRat · 10/09/2025 20:57

CheeseWisely · 10/09/2025 20:49

As a Head of Department who is very grateful to have been able to go down to 4 days after I had my Son YAB incredibly U!!

Who will manage your team the other 3 days? If they have something urgent to ask you they’ll just need to wait until you’re back? And how do you plan to easily squeeze a 5 day job into 2 days for 2 years, but then expect the employer to happily put you back to 5 days after? Why would they?

It’s all madness.

Another Head of Department here and I am afraid I have bad news for you OP. Your card is now marked. You have shown you have no intent to carry on in the role, no care of continuity of management of your staff on a daily basis and also you are expecting your colleagues to add a portion of your work to their (probably) very full workloads. This is even before the deceit of the 2 days work for 5 days pay.

It is unlikely you will be given anything you ask for now as I suspect the Directors want you out so they will hold on tight to their decision to force you to leave.

I can imagine their conversation after your FWR meeting!!

LikeNightAndDay · 10/09/2025 20:56

If you're stressed go off sick, then take some time to find s new job

EmpressaurusKitty · 10/09/2025 20:55

Bambii102417 · 10/09/2025 20:51

Why are you replying to posts but purposefully ignoring any comment regarding how you can do your full time job in 2 days..? Not something you want to admit to your employer!

Yes, I was just thinking that.

MeganM3 · 10/09/2025 20:54

2 days a week jobs in more senior roles are unusual.
In the organisation I work in it’s only really the lower wage jobs that have part time hours, 50% or under.
Higher up they might do a compressed week, full time but in 4 days.

I wish there were more jobs that offered part time.
I think it’s an issue that particularly affects women, who are often the ones who take the brunt of caring for elderly relatives/ children / disabled family members and there’s not much scope to be in a job that pays well part time.

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