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Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

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AngryBird6122 · 10/09/2025 10:59

Do people know that this is not just a UK thing? I see so many people saying they are ashamed to be british etc but this is happening the world over. And it can work both ways! I have close family in Japan and there are protests there too and they are being treated very differently - yes, white english! The right are gaining traction there too. Are the Japanese allowed to be proud of their country and fly their flags? What's people's thoughts on this?

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crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 15:22

Cyclebabble · 10/09/2025 15:20

I am ethnically Indian. Over the last month, my sister has been spat at, my kids have had go home shouted at them from a car (both born here, both mixed race) and an uncle has had graffiti on his house. We get on with life and are no different to anyone else, but life for us is getting tougher and it is in no way our fault.

I'm really bloody sorry.

So much for protecting women and kids.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 15:21

JHound · 10/09/2025 15:02

I genuinely wonder how the men with DV records, who attend these protests, reconcile the two.

I think it makes them feel better about themselves.
"I can't be a wife beater me, because look at me CARING ABOUT OUR WOMEN by intimidating another group. I'm a misunderstood hero really!"

Cyclebabble · 10/09/2025 15:20

I am ethnically Indian. Over the last month, my sister has been spat at, my kids have had go home shouted at them from a car (both born here, both mixed race) and an uncle has had graffiti on his house. We get on with life and are no different to anyone else, but life for us is getting tougher and it is in no way our fault.

Idinnaenah · 10/09/2025 15:16

JHound · 10/09/2025 15:02

I genuinely wonder how the men with DV records, who attend these protests, reconcile the two.

Easy, no one else is going to beat ‘their ‘ women up.

SirHumphreyRocks · 10/09/2025 15:10

JHound · 10/09/2025 15:02

I genuinely wonder how the men with DV records, who attend these protests, reconcile the two.

There's a difference. The women they assault belong to them / were asking for it. The ones who are a threat to innocent women are identified by skin colour. Simples.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2025 15:05

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 15:01

"Let me recommend this book that I haven't read....." 😆

Well yeh it’s obviously related to the questions you’re asking. I know about it as it got a fair bit of coverage.

Going by your questions on what is English culture it seems relevant. You might find it interesting.

More info

  • Anthropologist:
  • Kate Fox is a social anthropologist known for her popular-audience writings on English culture.
  • Book: Watching the English
  • : This book analyzes English national character by identifying and explaining complex, often unwritten rules of behavior.
JHound · 10/09/2025 15:02

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:58

Many of the people flying England flags simply have no other way of expressing the how they feel towards things like the rapid increase in assaults on women

Looking at the criminal records of those involved in the Raise the Colours protests, it would appear that an awful lot of them are enthusiastically in favour of assaulting women.

I genuinely wonder how the men with DV records, who attend these protests, reconcile the two.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 15:01

EasternStandard · 10/09/2025 14:58

What’s funny?

"Let me recommend this book that I haven't read....." 😆

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 15:00

FirstNationsEnglish · 10/09/2025 14:57

Ah, yet another thread simply for the fulfilment of the anti-English xenophobes. Folk who scream 'racist' and yet the irony of their own hatred and prejudice expressed on this thread, is lost on them. 😂🍿

Oh, I thought we were having quite an interesting discussion on British/ English culture! But since you obviously have a keen interest in the subject....how would you define English culture?

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:58

Many of the people flying England flags simply have no other way of expressing the how they feel towards things like the rapid increase in assaults on women

Looking at the criminal records of those involved in the Raise the Colours protests, it would appear that an awful lot of them are enthusiastically in favour of assaulting women.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2025 14:58

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:52

😆

What’s funny?

FirstNationsEnglish · 10/09/2025 14:57

Ah, yet another thread simply for the fulfilment of the anti-English xenophobes. Folk who scream 'racist' and yet the irony of their own hatred and prejudice expressed on this thread, is lost on them. 😂🍿

JHound · 10/09/2025 14:56

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:52

There are also areas of the UK where some of the first / second / third generation migrant Muslim population demand absolute tolerance of their beliefs whilst showing zero tolerance for the religions or beliefs held by the native population of the UK

Could you give us examples of some of these areas?

They pulled that out their arse.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:52

EasternStandard · 10/09/2025 14:44

That seems quite short. There are some books that look at the English, Kate Fox’s got a bit of airtime. I haven’t read it though.

😆

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:52

There are also areas of the UK where some of the first / second / third generation migrant Muslim population demand absolute tolerance of their beliefs whilst showing zero tolerance for the religions or beliefs held by the native population of the UK

Could you give us examples of some of these areas?

JHound · 10/09/2025 14:48

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:17

OK, I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about.

The cultural differences I have noticed between Britain and the other countries I've lived/ travelled in:

We use washing up bowls, rather than just washing dishes in the sink. Inexplicable to most cultures.

We never had in tram/ bus validation of tickets.

Pubs- pretty much unique.

Far more of a snacking culture on trains 🙄

The ubiquity of public footpaths.

These are the only differences I can think of that make Britain uniquely different to anywhere else.

We use washing up bowls, rather than just washing dishes in the sink. Inexplicable to most cultures

This is a new one to me!

EasternStandard · 10/09/2025 14:44

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:17

OK, I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about.

The cultural differences I have noticed between Britain and the other countries I've lived/ travelled in:

We use washing up bowls, rather than just washing dishes in the sink. Inexplicable to most cultures.

We never had in tram/ bus validation of tickets.

Pubs- pretty much unique.

Far more of a snacking culture on trains 🙄

The ubiquity of public footpaths.

These are the only differences I can think of that make Britain uniquely different to anywhere else.

That seems quite short. There are some books that look at the English, Kate Fox’s got a bit of airtime. I haven’t read it though.

JHound · 10/09/2025 14:43

Christian street preachers being arrested whilst the Muslim call to prayer is loudly played every day.

The equivalent of muslim call to prayer is church bells not street preachers.

JHound · 10/09/2025 14:42

PandoraSocks · 10/09/2025 13:20

White Supremacists are obsessed with Japan

I didn't know that, very useful piece of info. Thanks.

Yep it’s a combination of model minority status and it being ethnically homogeneous while being technologically advanced, closed to outsiders and incredibly patriarchal - the White Nationalist dream.

It’s why they are also obsessed with Japan’s low birth rate.

Tickingover01 · 10/09/2025 14:40

I think everyone is getting confused and labelling ALL involved in flying the England as racists. How incredibly reductionist and blinkered. Racism is perpetrated by people of all ethnicities, however when acts of violence or discrimination are perpetrated by a person within the Global Majority against a White person it is rarely acknowledged and certainly doesn’t invoke the kind of outrage seen when reversed. There are undoubtedly issues in the UK with migration, in terms of criminal behaviour (especially towards white women), sustainability and cultural changes that directly conflict with UK law There are also areas of the UK where some of the first / second / third generation migrant Muslim population demand absolute tolerance of their beliefs whilst showing zero tolerance for the religions or beliefs held by the native population of the UK.
There are issues with housing, taxation, policing and free speech. Tolerance has to work both ways by the majority of each ‘culture’ to prevent disharmony and radicalization. Many of the people flying England flags simply have no other way of expressing the how they feel towards things like the rapid increase in assaults on women, or Christian street preachers being arrested whilst the Muslim call to prayer is loudly played every day. We are well aware that there are huge social issues with the native population which need addressing, but how will we ever address these problems now? Demonising people for wanting the freedom to be proud of their country is entirely ineffective - rage builds in the persecuted group whilst the opposing group are emboldened. Of course there will be racists within the protests, just as there will be racists within the BLM or Palestine marches. It’s exhausting to watch all the virtue signalling / cognitive dissonance on social media by white people who will happily support anyone who calls a white person racist but are terrified of acknowledging racist acts perpetrated by any GM person. This in itself is racist - judge people on their actions and words, not skin colour, which includes misplaced sympathy. I see so many people who are racist without even knowing it - for example making allowances / justifying harms due to the upbringing and backgrounds of people of colour whilst ridiculing and mocking white people who have grown up in areas of deprivation that make a spelling mistake; are people of lesser education of less value? Should we punish these ‘lower’ white people for their social determiners? Are their feelings, beliefs, views etc invalid because they write ‘are’ instead of ‘our’?. It’s absolutely vile to observe and honestly incredibly weak; repeating a narrative that is safe because you can’t be called a racist whilst ignoring truths or experiences that don’t fit, isn’t brave or virtuous, it is cowardly, naive and biased.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 10/09/2025 14:33

Why just the English? Does racism not exist in the rest of the UK and NI?

JHound · 10/09/2025 14:24

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 13:12

I'm 51, and can confirm that that's a good fighting age for a woman. The perimenopause gives you an endless well of rage.

I wanted to give a smiley react as I am there too and….wooooboy!

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:17

Eloeeze · 10/09/2025 14:08

I’m not interested in writing a list, I’m sorry. Do go ahead, though.

OK, I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about.

The cultural differences I have noticed between Britain and the other countries I've lived/ travelled in:

We use washing up bowls, rather than just washing dishes in the sink. Inexplicable to most cultures.

We never had in tram/ bus validation of tickets.

Pubs- pretty much unique.

Far more of a snacking culture on trains 🙄

The ubiquity of public footpaths.

These are the only differences I can think of that make Britain uniquely different to anywhere else.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:08

2dogsandabudgie · 10/09/2025 13:48

Lots of towns and villages in England have their own traditions. Cheese rolling in Gloucestershire, Whittlesea Straw Bear Festival in Cambridgeshire, Dickens Festival Rochester, Hocktide in Wiltshire plus many more. A lot of them have historical roots.

I'm always amazed that people think we English don't have any customs or traditions. You'll also find that as well as local traditions there will be the more widespread ones like Morris Dancing and Maypole dancing. These last two seemed to be less common in recent years but glad they are now becoming more popular.

That's fair. I mean, you could argue that these are specifically regional rather than universally English, but that's a moot point.

We'll have to be on our guard for hordes of enraged Muslims trying to rush the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance then. They won't be liking any of that. Let alone the cheese rolling.

Eloeeze · 10/09/2025 14:08

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 14:03

I think there have been more people asking what English, as opposed to British, culture is. But yours is still a valid question. What would you say is specific to British culture, having travelled?

(I have also lived abroad and I have my own list, but I'll let you go first).

I’m not interested in writing a list, I’m sorry. Do go ahead, though.