Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13044974

This one probably works better. But basically, there are Kenyans still alive who were raped and castrated by British soldiers in internment camps.

Good luck with selling that logic to convince people LOL

https://www.ft.com/content/1792a0c0-cf47-11e1-a1ae-00144feabdc0

These people, just as one example.

I notice you are now arguing English culture is not exclusive, however, since other countries have joined in

Sorry, what does that even mean?.

It’s I honestly don’t know why this country is so rubbish, it’s like whatever the government they can’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery. They should have overhauled the immigration system years ago. They don’t know what they want…if it’s to boost our population by allowing illegals in then they should process people quickly and let them get to work rather than trapping them
within hotels. If it’s tighter controls / disincentives they shouldn’t have scrapped the Rwanda scheme. They basically don’t want to do anything / make any decisions.

Who are the people suffering?

https://far-rightcriminals.com/2013/07/23/killer-driver-gets-six-years/
This is the guy behind Raise the Colours.

I’m so sorry that your feelings are hurt. That must be so painful for you. I’m sure the millions of people who are still suffering as a direct result of Britain’s colonialism will weep for you.

I think the reason that it is particularly galling to be anti immigration in the UK is because of the empire. Britain spent many, many years raping and pillaging other lands, and it feels a bit rich for the UK to now decide that immigration is bad. Particularly when a lot of the people that are applying for asylum or coming through other routes are from countries that were either invaded by the UK or destabilised by the UK for whatever reason. I saw someone just today banging on about “Sharia law” on the street and it made me wonder how all the millions of people in all the countries that the UK invaded and imposed its judicial system, language, culture and laws would have felt. I mean, just go to Belfast and Dublin and ask the people there for a start…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours

No I meant I’m sure some of the citizens in the Empire abroad also accumulated wealth as well

doesn’t make me a “dick” thank you

Oh yeah, "we gave them railways". Lol 🤦‍♀️

But nobody's making you feel guilty- why on earth should you, that's ridiculous!

Don't feel guilty- but also don't be a dick about it. Simples. 🤷‍♀️

Pretty sure JKR was born and maybe even educated in England. Rugby is named after the English school it originated from. Just because the Welsh adopted it - so have the Italians, it remains a product of English culture because that’s where it started.

I notice you are now arguing English culture is not exclusive, however, since other countries have joined in.

Not only is English culture massive, it’s enriched the world immensely.

Yes and I’m sure some of the people in the Nations of colonialism also benefited from it however much the narrative pretends they didn’t

I wasn’t alive and I’m sick of being made to feel I should feel guilty about it

To be fair the Welsh and the Irish can also give the English a run for their money on these. Drinking certainly gets moodier as you drift North - the Italians and the Spanish are much less inclined to get drunk.

Apparently our swearing is pretty lightweight compared to the Russian stuff, which is a whole sub language unto itself and can start a fight by its use alone.

And where are they??? I have yet to come across any.

You have to really question the motives of people who want mass immigration. What do they hope to achieve?

Quite.

And my 20xgreat-grandfather (direct ancestor) was Sir William Bowes I, which makes me directly related to Kind Charles III. And any flag I will be flying is green, white and orange, which means our joint ancestors ended up on very different sides - and it isn't his side I am proud of.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of what the British achieved, providing you recognise at what cost it was achieved and to whom. And who really reaped the benefit.

I have asked myself if I am racist or have unconscious bias and honestly don't believe so. I love my black neighbours and have Asian friends. However I am very concerned about the huge number of illegal immigrants and do feel angry when I hear about them living in hotels and occasionally hearing some have been given new housing. This might be ok we're it not that so many British families are in desperate need of decent affordable housing and I do believe that charity begins at home and our own people should come first.

Ironically, unlike Mr/Ms ‘ I can only watch Colditz now’ - despite being on the left with my views, not being English and despising all this waving of flags I WOULD fight if it came down to it, and fully expect my not far off military age DC to do the same. Just as my grandparents had to. Sometimes it’s about the bigger picture.
And if the true ‘patriots’ chose to dodge fighting then I suppose it’ll be up to the rest of us to help remove whatever jackboot is on their cowardly necks.

Flagshaggers refusing to actually fight for the country they claim to love if it came to actually having to fight is surely just par for the course?
Rhere were plenty of spins and draft dodgers in WW2 too.

No it isnt the world over. i have never been threatened with rape and being ahot in any other country only in the UK. The town I was horn in and raised and educated in walking on my home atreets telling me to F-Off to pakistan. Not even Pakistani heritage I am mixed English and Arab. These riots are raciat and not about immigration they see you are hot white and hurl abuse even with ny 3 year old and 1 year old baby with me. They threaten to rape me. Is that ok? I never had that in the middle East, or in Africa.

Yes in Japan my beither experinced prejudice but never threats to his life. He lives and works there. They may treat him a little colder but they still don't bother him. They always are surpised when he says he is British as they only see white people are British. But you can not compare the treatment to the UK and in France and America where we are ohysicaly abused and verbally threatened and intimidated.

@crackofdoom There aren't any protests with that name

How would you know about the criminal record records of people peacefully protesting by the way?

Could you give me a specific example of what you're talking about?

I keep hearing people citing figures from arrests during last year's riots and extrapolating them to protests. That makes absolutely no sense.

Except that that's not close to anything "the left" (not a monolithic entity) has said or would ever say.

Many writers, thinkers and commentators from the left have pointed out that imperialism and slavery benefited only the moneyed classes in Britain, while the masses were left in grinding poverty.

To say that left wing historians view "our country's" history in purely negative terms is to display a stunning ignorance of their work in telling the stories of working class people. (Just as a snippet: did you know Cornish Methodists in the 18th century refused to take sugar in their tea because they refused to support the triangular trade?)

There's an understandable frustration at seeing working class people manipulated into hating people with whom they should by rights have a lot in common by millionaires keen to shift the focus from their own actions.

And as for lakielady self soothing herself into a rose coloured vision of England past by reading Jane Austen and watching Brideshead Revisited....most of us would have been scrubbing these people's floors back in the day 🤦‍♀️

It's an interesting question whether the left in other countries is so willing to view their countries history in such purely negative terms and beat their collective breasts with mea culpa despite the fact that the majority of people at the time of these historical wrongs neither had the vote or were anything other than servants or potentially workers with notions above their station that needed to be taught a lesson by the ruling classes.