Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

Educate yourself if you don't know why people need to leave their countries. War, persecution, lack of jobs , the list is endless...If there was a war here, or you felt under threat because of your sexual orientation or political views , maybe you'd understand too. Maybe you'd try to find a safer place with better prospects. Just maybe.

Why do they have to be here in the first place though.

I think it is being driven largely by social media, and it’s really only a small minority of people that want to be confrontational about immigration.

For example, here, we have an hotel that is currently hosting migrants who are causing no trouble at all, and there are zero protests.

In contrast, my DB lives near another hotel in a different area, where the migrants are turfed out of the hotel after breakfast, come rain or shine, and not allowed back in until their evening meal. What are they supposed to do all day?

What they have been doing is gathering in a local park, which, along with nearly all other local parks, has no toilet facilities - so you can imagine what happens when they answer the call of nature!

A few people local to my DB are really angry about this behaviour, but in his (and my) opinion, the anger should be directed at the government agency that has allowed this situation to arise - how can the so-called migrant hotels be allowed to deny their guests (for which they are being paid - handsomely) access to toilet facilities?

This anger has now been spread by racist name-calling social media posts, because people just see the result, and not the cause, of the problem, and as a result, there are regular protests from stupid local and not-so-local people who make assumptions to suit their own internal narrative and act on these.

Unfortunately, it’s these dumba*ses that get media coverage - generating more racist attacks… so in answer to your question, I think the racism, while worrying, is not as bad as you might think…

I think it is being driven largely by social media, and it’s really only a small minority of people that want to be confrontational about immigration.

For example, here, we have an hotel that is currently hosting migrants who are causing no trouble at all, and there are zero protests.

In contrast, my DB lives near another hotel in a different area, where the migrants are turfed out of the hotel after breakfast, come rain or shine, and not allowed back in until their evening meal. What are they supposed to do all day?

What they have been doing is gathering in a local park, which, along with nearly all other local parks, has no toilet facilities - so you can imagine what happens when they answer the call of nature!

A few people local to my DB are really angry about this behaviour, but in his (and my) opinion, the anger should be directed at the government agency that has allowed this situation to arise - how can the so-called migrant hotels be allowed to deny their guests (for which they are being paid - handsomely) access to toilet facilities?

This anger has now been spread by racist name-calling social media posts, because people just see the result, and not the cause, of the problem, and as a result, there are regular protests from stupid local and not-so-local people who make assumptions to suit their own internal narrative and act on these.

Unfortunately, it’s these dumba*ses that get media coverage - generating more racist attacks… so in answer to your question, I think the racism, while worrying, is not as bad as you might think…

You come across as really disapproving of England and English history. And if you can’t produce evidence then you have no argument, you are just shouting about the bad English.

You are aware that England does not exist and never has existed in a vacuum either? That England’s relationship with Ireland is quite different from its relationship with France or India or the Middle East?

Countries fight a lot. There may be countries which don’t get into wars - although the fact that there are two World Wars named in 20thc history suggests you may have a hard time finding one. Good luck with it nonetheless.

Oh no you don’t get out of it that easily I’m afraid, the rest of your post has no bearing on why you perceive it to be an issue if I am indeed disapproving of England and English history. Why is that an issue in your eyes?

Switzerland i believe

You come across as really disapproving of England and English history. And if you can’t produce evidence then you have no argument, you are just shouting about the bad English.

You are aware that England does not exist and never has existed in a vacuum either? That England’s relationship with Ireland is quite different from its relationship with France or India or the Middle East?

Countries fight a lot. There may be countries which don’t get into wars - although the fact that there are two World Wars named in 20thc history suggests you may have a hard time finding one. Good luck with it nonetheless.

Well read and address the rest of my post and you might find it.

So what was your point then?

None at all. You can hate on England and the English all you like. That’s what freedom of belief and expression are all about.

What exactly is the problem with me coming across as really disapproving of England and English history? Why does that bother you if that is your perception?

You come across as really disapproving of England and English history. And if you can’t produce evidence then you have no argument, you are just shouting about the bad English.

You are aware that England does not exist and never has existed in a vacuum either? That England’s relationship with Ireland is quite different from its relationship with France or India or the Middle East?

Countries fight a lot. There may be countries which don’t get into wars - although the fact that there are two World Wars named in 20thc history suggests you may have a hard time finding one. Good luck with it nonetheless.

I really can’t help this level of wilful ignorance. You’ll have to do the research for yourself.

what does it matter what I think? Consequences are the result of an action, the only way to avoid it is to not carry out the action in the first place, when you carry out an act you don't get to decide what the reaction to it will be

what does it matter what I think? Consequences are the result of an action, the only way to avoid it is to not carry out the action in the first place, when you carry out an act you don't get to decide what the reaction to it will be

What do you think the consequence should be?

A consequence rather than a punishment, all of us alive today aren't responsible for what our ancestors have done but every action has a consequence

It means that your argument for mass immigration is basically as a punishment for the U.K. That’s not really going to be an easy sell now we have political parties who are genuinely looking to put a stop to it.

If they went to school in England I doubt that they spent much time on much colonial history. I once had an English friend sum up the Irish man-made ( British made) famines with ‘they were mad about potatoes, then the blight came, so sad’.
She was genuinely surprised to hear the truth.

I would not imagine that that poster paid any attention in school, or subsequently.