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Is this a conflict of interest?

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:03

Looking for some advice or perspective on something that’s been really bothering me, as it’s had a huge emotional impact on my DC.
My child (14) has spent the last 6 years heavily involved in a high-level extracurricular activity (think 12+ hours a week). They’ve worked really hard and been fully committed. At the end of last school year, they had the opportunity to apply for a place to continue with the activity. Historically, all children who have done this activity for several years have been offered continuing places.This year, 6 applied and 5 were awarded places. The only one not accepted was my child. There have been no behaviour issues, no cause for concern or issues raised throughout their time in this organisation - this is not the point of my AIBU but I'm adding for context. This decision came completely out of the blue with no feedback and was really upsetting. Understandably, DC is devastated.

Now this is my AIBU- My child had paid-for private lessons in the main skill of this activity with a teacher who also works at the organisation that awards the places. I'll call him Mr X. He taught DC for 3 years and was always happy with my child's performance. At first, things were fine, but Mr X had a habit of being very unreliable (frequent cancellations, no-shows without warning, etc). After a lot of patience, we ended the lessons earlier this year and found a different teacher.

I’ve now learned that Mr X was involved in the selection process for awarding continuing places this year. I think it's important to also mention that he currently teaches 4 out of the 5 children who were awarded continuing places in the program in separate private paid-for lessons (outside of the activity) as he used to do with my child. I was not aware he was involved in this year's decision and only found out when I asked for feedback on why my child didn’t receive a place. I was told it was a 'group decision by key staff' including Mr X. I can’t help but feel this is a conflict of interest as Mr X had a previous teaching relationship with my child (which he possibly now perceives in a negative light), and he currently teaches the majority of the children who were successful in a private capacity. It is not unreasonable to assume that consciously or unconsciously he might favour his own pupils for these really sought-after places and that he should have recused himself. Teaching this skill is his main income. Am I wrong to think this raises questions about the fairness and independence of the whole process?

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 12:19

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 12:13

Are you thinking your child wasn't selected, due to you cancelling private tuition? I'm not criticising because that would be my first thought.

I think that is possibly a part of it, yes. That presents one conflict of interest. Also, Mr X still teaches several successful candidates which to my mind is a direct conflict of interest too, as even if he doesn’t mean to he is likely to favour his own students. Even if he doesn’t favour his own students the process is still compromised as there is a perception of bias.

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DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 12:17

Ratafia · 10/09/2025 11:23

I'm not sure that OP has to prove anything. There's a basic principle that any process like this should not only be fair, but should be seen to be fair. It may be that Mr X did his best to act with complete propriety, but the simple fact is that his involvement in the selection process, coupled with the fact that the only child not selected is the one who gave up his lessons, gives a distinct appearance of bias and he can't prove that he wasn't biased, even unconsciously. He should have completely recused himself, and I suspect the governing body fo the sport (or whatever it is) would take a similar view.

At the very least, OP and her child are entitled to a better explanation than one which is essentially "That was our decision, like it or lump it". The reluctance to explain more also gives rise to reasonable concerns that they had something to hide.

Yeah, I think you might be right there.

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 12:16

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:58

I don't want them to do anything with him. I would like it to be looked into and if there has been a conflict of interests for it to be raised and the process made the better for it going forward. I would not like to see the same happen to another child.

Fair enough. I hope they do that.

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 12:15

Honestly, just writing this down has been rather therapeutic so thanks for that!

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monkeysox · 10/09/2025 12:14

SaladAndChipsForTea · 10/09/2025 12:11

It doesn't really matter if DC os at the same level.

The issue is that the selection process is not transparent in hiw they are managing perceptions of bias.

I was considering the process in that were the others simply better.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 12:13

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:20

My thinking is that he takes private money and has private relationships with students and families outside of this process that could impact, or give the appearance of impacting, his decision as to who gets a place.

Are you thinking your child wasn't selected, due to you cancelling private tuition? I'm not criticising because that would be my first thought.

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 12:12

monkeysox · 10/09/2025 12:06

Are you sure your dc is at the same level? Could it be the others are better?
Just thinking whole picture

Yes. There are external qualifications in this discipline and my child holds the current highest externally validated level in this discipline specifically, and also in closely related disciplines. My child also performs on a national level (think Team GB but not athletics)in a related discipline- none of the other candidates are close to this. Ironically, it’s Mr X who enters candidates for these qualifications, including those who have got places this year and have done lower levels with him as their teacher, so he is well aware of this.

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SaladAndChipsForTea · 10/09/2025 12:11

monkeysox · 10/09/2025 12:06

Are you sure your dc is at the same level? Could it be the others are better?
Just thinking whole picture

It doesn't really matter if DC os at the same level.

The issue is that the selection process is not transparent in hiw they are managing perceptions of bias.

monkeysox · 10/09/2025 12:06

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:31

It’s so difficult as it’s a niche activity and very outing. The answer is no they cannot do it anywhere else in the same way, which is why it has been devastating. There are lower level opportunities on offer, but not at the level they are currently at.

Are you sure your dc is at the same level? Could it be the others are better?
Just thinking whole picture

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:58

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 11:24

What do you want them to do with him? Do you just want them to reverse the decision to exclude your child?

I don't want them to do anything with him. I would like it to be looked into and if there has been a conflict of interests for it to be raised and the process made the better for it going forward. I would not like to see the same happen to another child.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:56

DarkYearForMySoul · 10/09/2025 11:32

Pros and cons of challenging the decision? If your child has been denied a place to move forward this activity are there any cons to challenging the process and highlighting the conflict of interest? Possible outcomes may be your kid is admitted (but may be picked on by this coach), the decision may not be changed for this kid but they’ll think twice in future, or nothing will change and you’re just in the same position.

Life lesson: yes this could be a life lesson in not just accepting a situation but standing up and having your voice heard (metaphorically)

This is true and we've been left in a position where the process has been handled so poorly that we don't feel we have an awful lot to lose.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:54

summitfever · 10/09/2025 11:28

This type of nepotism happened to me as a child and really impacted on my self esteem and perception of worthiness in relation to my socioeconomic background. I was basically the talented poor kid that got trampled over by the powerful rich parents and was denied an opportunity to represent my country. Wish my mum had challenged it so please do.

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Having seen the devastation this 'process' has had on my child I understand how horrible and mentally destructive it can feel.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:52

Ratafia · 10/09/2025 11:23

I'm not sure that OP has to prove anything. There's a basic principle that any process like this should not only be fair, but should be seen to be fair. It may be that Mr X did his best to act with complete propriety, but the simple fact is that his involvement in the selection process, coupled with the fact that the only child not selected is the one who gave up his lessons, gives a distinct appearance of bias and he can't prove that he wasn't biased, even unconsciously. He should have completely recused himself, and I suspect the governing body fo the sport (or whatever it is) would take a similar view.

At the very least, OP and her child are entitled to a better explanation than one which is essentially "That was our decision, like it or lump it". The reluctance to explain more also gives rise to reasonable concerns that they had something to hide.

You have expressed this so much better than I could. In essence, this is exactly what I am trying to say.

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DarkYearForMySoul · 10/09/2025 11:32

Pros and cons of challenging the decision? If your child has been denied a place to move forward this activity are there any cons to challenging the process and highlighting the conflict of interest? Possible outcomes may be your kid is admitted (but may be picked on by this coach), the decision may not be changed for this kid but they’ll think twice in future, or nothing will change and you’re just in the same position.

Life lesson: yes this could be a life lesson in not just accepting a situation but standing up and having your voice heard (metaphorically)

summitfever · 10/09/2025 11:28

This type of nepotism happened to me as a child and really impacted on my self esteem and perception of worthiness in relation to my socioeconomic background. I was basically the talented poor kid that got trampled over by the powerful rich parents and was denied an opportunity to represent my country. Wish my mum had challenged it so please do.

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 11:24

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:19

I definitely don’t want anyone to be sacked thanks.

What do you want them to do with him? Do you just want them to reverse the decision to exclude your child?

Ratafia · 10/09/2025 11:23

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 11:03

I don't really see how you can prove that he discriminated against your kid because you basically sacked him. Though I can see why you might have your suspicions. But you'll need proof.

It sounds like he's a key part of this activity and always has been. I guess raise it with the higher powers in the organisation but I don't think they'll get rid of him on your say so.

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I'm not sure that OP has to prove anything. There's a basic principle that any process like this should not only be fair, but should be seen to be fair. It may be that Mr X did his best to act with complete propriety, but the simple fact is that his involvement in the selection process, coupled with the fact that the only child not selected is the one who gave up his lessons, gives a distinct appearance of bias and he can't prove that he wasn't biased, even unconsciously. He should have completely recused himself, and I suspect the governing body fo the sport (or whatever it is) would take a similar view.

At the very least, OP and her child are entitled to a better explanation than one which is essentially "That was our decision, like it or lump it". The reluctance to explain more also gives rise to reasonable concerns that they had something to hide.

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:19

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 11:03

I don't really see how you can prove that he discriminated against your kid because you basically sacked him. Though I can see why you might have your suspicions. But you'll need proof.

It sounds like he's a key part of this activity and always has been. I guess raise it with the higher powers in the organisation but I don't think they'll get rid of him on your say so.

Edited

I definitely don’t want anyone to be sacked thanks.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 11:18

Shutupkeith · 10/09/2025 11:05

I suppose it is like an Oxbridge tutor taking money for private tutoring and then he has a vote on whether they get a place? I would say it is 100% conflict of interest and if there is a regulatory body I would be reporting, it may well look like sour grapes but actually it is an abuse of his position for financial gain.

My thoughts exactly.

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Peclet · 10/09/2025 11:07

I know in gymnastics there are never enough elite level coaches and judges so often it is certain clubs coaches who are judges at competitions.

Sometimes I wonder if that club is favoured. However there is a robust skill scoring system, so I trust the process overall.

Shutupkeith · 10/09/2025 11:05

I suppose it is like an Oxbridge tutor taking money for private tutoring and then he has a vote on whether they get a place? I would say it is 100% conflict of interest and if there is a regulatory body I would be reporting, it may well look like sour grapes but actually it is an abuse of his position for financial gain.

DiscoBob · 10/09/2025 11:03

I don't really see how you can prove that he discriminated against your kid because you basically sacked him. Though I can see why you might have your suspicions. But you'll need proof.

It sounds like he's a key part of this activity and always has been. I guess raise it with the higher powers in the organisation but I don't think they'll get rid of him on your say so.

timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:56

Hankunamatata · 10/09/2025 10:53

Ok so Iv had similar (but knew the critteria had been not applied as they chose to try and hide it). First approach the club and ask them the questions outlined above and ask for a specific time frame for response. Firm but polite

If there an over organisation approach them and ask of there are guidelines for selection, students progressing, standards etc

Make it clear this isn't about your child progressing, its about a clear criteria to work towards and be judged against for an open and transparent process

Thank you. Yes, a focus on the process rather than the outcome is probably the way to pursue this.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:55

ScaryM0nster · 10/09/2025 10:54

Is there any requirement for fair and equal access and selection based on specified criteria?

If it’s a private organisation, then there may well not be and selection for spaces can be on pretty much any criteria that the organisation likes (including private pupils of staff having priority) if that’s what they chose to select on. You just can’t discriminate on a protected characteristic.

Most conflict of interest scenarios are managed by being open about it. So Mr X would make the rest of the panel aware that some of the candidates are his private students, and the rest of the panel would keep that in mind when making considerations to avoid things like taking his lower level of awareness of the ones who aren’t his students as a negative view.

Yes there is. I can’t say the organisations that oversees this activity but they would certainly want fairness, transparency etc at the core of what they do.

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timetablechaos · 10/09/2025 10:54

Apologies for waffley and vague replies. I completely hear those of you who are saying this is a life lesson. You are right in the big scheme of things. I just want to get some answers in the hope that it helps my child heal after a nasty shock. The fact there could have been a conflict of interest/ bias doesn’t sit well with me which is why I wanted to know, based on the info I’ve put out here, if you think that has occurred.

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