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Given detention for lateness on tube strike day

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Longingdreamer · 09/09/2025 15:18

My child was given a detention today, despite there being a tube strike in London, which has caused travel chaos. They early but were apparently still late: roads are almost at a standstill it seems.

They get very upset by detentions, due to underlying neuro diversity.

Aibu to think that the school shouldn't give these on a strike day for minor lateness?

They usually give them, even if a child is only 1 minute late, but it seems wicked when it is out of their control.

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Chilliprawnpls · 12/09/2025 16:33

FullLondonEye · 12/09/2025 16:05

Again someone apparently not understanding the consequences of a tube strike in London.

Clear plan would have been the only (in this case) alternative mode of transport. The bus. How do you plan around not being let on the bus? In this particular case there was no other route or mode of transport, given that she can't walk it. Cycling not safe at that age, car not an option in gridlock - either your own or a taxi/Uber. You plan for the bus in the absence of other options but what do you do when the bus then doesn't stop or let you on? Or you don't know how long you might have to wait until one comes along and does? That could be ten minutes, it could be three hours. In this situation all bets are off. How do the OP and her daughter plan around that?

You have bugger all idea that there would have been one plan.

The thing with London is…. Walk 5 minutes to a different route and you’ll get to your destination in half the time. Same with tube stations (when there running), something choosing a different station to the closest, means you save loads

FullLondonEye · 12/09/2025 16:05

Chilliprawnpls · 12/09/2025 15:30

Had you given her a very clear plan re how to get to school? And a back up route / mode of transport?

given she’s only 12, ND, poor knee and prone to anxiety…. I’d have accompanied her during this week of strikes

Again someone apparently not understanding the consequences of a tube strike in London.

Clear plan would have been the only (in this case) alternative mode of transport. The bus. How do you plan around not being let on the bus? In this particular case there was no other route or mode of transport, given that she can't walk it. Cycling not safe at that age, car not an option in gridlock - either your own or a taxi/Uber. You plan for the bus in the absence of other options but what do you do when the bus then doesn't stop or let you on? Or you don't know how long you might have to wait until one comes along and does? That could be ten minutes, it could be three hours. In this situation all bets are off. How do the OP and her daughter plan around that?

Chilliprawnpls · 12/09/2025 15:31

Longingdreamer · 12/09/2025 00:05

Yes, previous strikes often had limited service. This one was a complete shutdown, leaving a complete shit show on the roads. It also happened to coincide with multiple major road closures.

I just did a journey in London which would take 40 minutes on a normal day. Today it took nearly 3 hours.

What route was this? 3 hours instead of 40 mins… as an long term Londoner, I’m pretty sure I could have got you there in under 1.5 hours!

Chilliprawnpls · 12/09/2025 15:30

Longingdreamer · 12/09/2025 00:04

Yes, previous strikes often had limited service. This one was a complete shutdown, leaving a complete shit show on the roads. It also happened to coincide with multiple major road closures.

I just did a journey in London which would take 40 minutes on a normal day. Today it took nearly 3 hours.

Had you given her a very clear plan re how to get to school? And a back up route / mode of transport?

given she’s only 12, ND, poor knee and prone to anxiety…. I’d have accompanied her during this week of strikes

Longingdreamer · 12/09/2025 00:05

dynamiccactus · 11/09/2025 21:21

I had but I didn't realise until Monday morning that they really meant it and all the exits to the Tube at Waterloo were gated off. I can walk to my office from there but I was really surprised, I'd assumed some trains would be running.

Yes, previous strikes often had limited service. This one was a complete shutdown, leaving a complete shit show on the roads. It also happened to coincide with multiple major road closures.

I just did a journey in London which would take 40 minutes on a normal day. Today it took nearly 3 hours.

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Longingdreamer · 12/09/2025 00:04

dynamiccactus · 11/09/2025 21:21

I had but I didn't realise until Monday morning that they really meant it and all the exits to the Tube at Waterloo were gated off. I can walk to my office from there but I was really surprised, I'd assumed some trains would be running.

Yes, previous strikes often had limited service. This one was a complete shutdown, leaving a complete shit show on the roads. It also happened to coincide with multiple major road closures.

I just did a journey in London which would take 40 minutes on a normal day. Today it took nearly 3 hours.

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dynamiccactus · 11/09/2025 21:21

MiloMinderbinder · 10/09/2025 19:10

Had you not heard that there would be a strike?

I had but I didn't realise until Monday morning that they really meant it and all the exits to the Tube at Waterloo were gated off. I can walk to my office from there but I was really surprised, I'd assumed some trains would be running.

dynamiccactus · 11/09/2025 21:19

Even if my child didn't have special needs I would not support the school with detentions when there's a strike going on. Not sure what they would do. The thread about disruption in schools made it clear that they can't exclude. So what are they going to do?

If my child did something wrong, they deal with the consequences.

But if a group of rail workers go on strike for an entire week, the school has to be realistic.

Have schools actually thought that it is some of these ridiculous rules which mean that parents and children don't respect them? My headteacher had us exactly where she wanted us - and without ludicrous rules (other than length of school skirts which was an unnecessary obsession of hers).

LemondrizzleShark · 11/09/2025 19:24

TartanBarmy · 09/09/2025 15:20

It was public knowledge there were tube strikes. Your DC should have left earlier to be at school
on time. School is practice for work. Imagine if surgeons just rolled in late because of a tube strike. Punctuality is important.

I hate to break it to you, but we often do indeed roll in late if there has been travel disruption…

Schoolchoicesucks · 11/09/2025 19:22

FrippEnos · 10/09/2025 23:02

I suspect that very few people were given the option to work from home.

Why do you suspect that?
I had 2 in-person meeting days rescheduled to another time because of the strikes. I did still go into the office for 1 of them but adjusted my working pattern to take account of the slower journey (walking half of it).
I suspect that most office jobs that operate on hybrid model would have done similar. That's a lot of people, not just a few.

Longingdreamer · 11/09/2025 17:47

PensionedCruiser · 11/09/2025 14:52

You know that a school failing to make reasonable adjustments for a SEND pupil is against the Equality Act of 2010?

Now I am a bolshy so and so, but I would be making a massive fuss about the failure, going directly to the Head and then to the Local Education Authority. Then the Law. Don't waste time with those who have no authority to make changes. There is no point in having these Laws which protect Disabled Adults and Children against discrimination - and failing to make reasonable adjustments is discrimination - when schools are not challenged for ignoring them.

I fought schools when the Act became Law and have continued to take on discriminatory workplaces since - I would have hoped that by now parents would not still be fighting for their children's rights.

Thank you. I have quoted this legislation in my email to the head... We will see.

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LoudGreenOP · 11/09/2025 15:15

Basin basin

Obviously one of the 17%😂

Baital · 11/09/2025 14:54

FrippEnos · 11/09/2025 12:27

As I said depending on where he works.

And you choose to take the job knowing the constraints. And in general the constraints are due to the security levels needed on site, so have a valid reasoning behind them.

Unfortunately many people, such as the OP, don't have much choice in the school their child goes to, and cannot afford an alternative e.g. private or home school.

So neither the parent nor the child has chosen the draconian policies. Nor is there a valid reason for schools to be so draconian, consequences for a pattern of absence is reasonable (it's disruptive), but a one in the context of massive travel problems is just something that happens occasionally.

PensionedCruiser · 11/09/2025 14:52

Longingdreamer · 10/09/2025 20:52

I have emailed to ask the Senco for reasonable adjustments. Sadly, I don't have a lot of hope in receiving a constructive response.

You know that a school failing to make reasonable adjustments for a SEND pupil is against the Equality Act of 2010?

Now I am a bolshy so and so, but I would be making a massive fuss about the failure, going directly to the Head and then to the Local Education Authority. Then the Law. Don't waste time with those who have no authority to make changes. There is no point in having these Laws which protect Disabled Adults and Children against discrimination - and failing to make reasonable adjustments is discrimination - when schools are not challenged for ignoring them.

I fought schools when the Act became Law and have continued to take on discriminatory workplaces since - I would have hoped that by now parents would not still be fighting for their children's rights.

FrippEnos · 11/09/2025 12:27

Comefromaway · 11/09/2025 12:23

No, he just has to get a temporary pass. A formal warning would be laughable. It was for two days as he has to lodge away from home part of the week.

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As I said depending on where he works.

Comefromaway · 11/09/2025 12:23

No, he just has to get a temporary pass. A formal warning would be laughable. It was for two days as he has to lodge away from home part of the week.

FrippEnos · 11/09/2025 12:22

Comefromaway · 11/09/2025 11:15

My husband forgot his pass again this week, the one that gets him into the college building. I just told him according to this thread he should be put in detention or isolation!

Depending on where he works that would be a formal warning and he wouldn't be allowed in to the building.

But it is good to know how lackadaisical some (most) colleges are about security.

Comefromaway · 11/09/2025 11:15

My husband forgot his pass again this week, the one that gets him into the college building. I just told him according to this thread he should be put in detention or isolation!

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 11/09/2025 07:40

whoopdeedoo · 09/09/2025 15:37

Pretty sure you weren’t trying to get anywhere in London yesterday, otherwise you would know how unfair this is. It took me nearly 2 hours to travel 5 miles this morning to get to work. I could have walked it more quickly and would have cycled, except for the fact I have a fractured ankle. It was chaos, buses packed, traffic gridlocked.

That sucks for you @whoopdeedoo. Just wanted to send good vibes as I've recently had an ankle fracture and know how frustrating it is.

OP YANBU.

supersop60 · 11/09/2025 07:30

A colleague of mine left home an hour early and the buses were full at 6.30 am. She was due to start work at 9, and was 30 minutes late.
Everyone saying get up earlier needs to have a think.
I live outside the M25 and felt the effects of extra traffic.

FindingMeno · 11/09/2025 07:25

I would tell the school no.
End of.

pimlicopubber · 11/09/2025 05:45

TartanBarmy · 09/09/2025 15:20

It was public knowledge there were tube strikes. Your DC should have left earlier to be at school
on time. School is practice for work. Imagine if surgeons just rolled in late because of a tube strike. Punctuality is important.

Actually, for most jobs, it's not a big deal if you're a few minutes late. Detention for occasional lateness is unnecessary source of stress.
Most office workers in London don't even have to come to the office this week.
Not everyone is a surgeon. Don't know about surgeons but I have friends who are GPs or consultants and they are definitely a few minutes late from time to time. 90+% of office workers can be also late coming to the office - important meetings usually don't happen first thing in the morning to allow for latecomers. Similarly, schools could very well make the 15 minutes more relaxed to allow for (occasional delays).

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 05:29

Laurmolonlabe · 10/09/2025 22:21

You have a child who suffers from anxiety, yet you send them to a school you know is incredibly strict about things like lateness- that seems a strange choice, schools like this do not make adjustments for these kinds of problems- it interferes with their results, which interferes with their ranking, you need to find a school with a more appropriate environment for your child, if this is a big issue.

HAHAHAHAHA.

If only nearly all schools were not run on exactly the same lines. Parental choice is an illusion.

spoonbillstretford · 11/09/2025 05:26

Even 35 years ago in Greater Manchester the roads could be gridlocked in the morning. Most kids went on the school buses. If the school buses were late we never got detention.

Baital · 11/09/2025 05:18

RigIt · 11/09/2025 02:29

Don’t be a nob. It’s impossible to never ever be late. You can leave some contingency time but it won’t always be enough. Sometimes there are extreme circumstances such as in this case. The school should have taken that into account. While it’s important to have discipline and standards, it’s also important to model reasonableness, fairness, empathy and flexibility. Rigidly followed rules often lead to unfairness, as in this case.

Exactly. I left contingency time on Monday and was still 10 minutes late. Since then have increased the contingency time and been about half an hour early each day - so my employer is overall 50 minutes ahead, and because they were reasonable on the first day I don't mind them 'being ahead'.

If they had made an issue of 10 minutes the first day I might resent those 50 minutes. As it is, I am very happy with the situation, a bit of give and take makes for a far more positive result for everyone.

Irritatingly on Monday, DD was supposed to leave contingency time on Monday, but didn't because she left everything to the last minute and then still faffed around. Her journey was almost unaffected, and she was on time for College... 😡

It was really just down to luck, especially the first day when it was impossible to predict the impact.

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