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MiddleAgedMusings · 2025-09-08T22:17:51+00:00

Their main target is Indians. Indians. Who have come legally - not on boats - but on aeroplanes, with the correct visas, who are students seeking further education in order to train as doctors, nurses, or whatever so that they can give back to Australia - Or they are already trained in a profession that the government has outlined has a shortage. Australia is absolutely solid to get into with specific qualifications or experience being a mandatory requirement and the financial means to support one self. The whole western world constantly puts Australia on a pedestal for not being a soft touch for immigration. How are these protesters questioning the value of this diaspora's contribution to the Australian economy, and how can anybody deny that it's pure racism? Australia doesn't have a problem luring white British nurses and doctors to their shores with generous repatriation packages, but an Indian nurse or doctor aren't good enough. Australians don't have a problem with their white teenagers or graduates emigrating to western countries for 10 years before fucking off back to Australia when it's time to settle down, but god forbid anybody does it the other way [[https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfb https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfbArticle]] Link will work without paywall, press downwards arrow.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 13:01

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:59

Sure.

I don’t treat them any different in ordinary circumstances. I do occasionally conduct job interviews though and sometimes we will specify a position for First Nations people, or particularly encourage them to apply. This is due to the endemic barriers they face entering the workplace. There are also traineeships available.

i think in general, compared to 20 years ago, Australia is doing much better with First Nations affairs. We didn’t even really talk about it then, or have education in schools.

I live on an acreage. Unfortunately, it’s the also the site of a historical colonial-era massacre. (I’ll spare you the details; they’re shocking.) The people the carried out this massacre were recently-arrived Englishmen.

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Do you mean the land is yours now? Would you ever give anything up re your ownership to re address the balance?

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:59

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 12:42

@VoulezVouz the British aside what do you think you are doing in Australia for First Nation people? We can't change things from here, but you can.

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Sure.

I don’t treat them any different in ordinary circumstances. I do occasionally conduct job interviews though and sometimes we will specify a position for First Nations people, or particularly encourage them to apply. This is due to the endemic barriers they face entering the workplace. There are also traineeships available.

i think in general, compared to 20 years ago, Australia is doing much better with First Nations affairs. We didn’t even really talk about it then, or have education in schools.

I live on an acreage. Unfortunately, it’s the also the site of a historical colonial-era massacre. (I’ll spare you the details; they’re shocking.) The people the carried out this massacre were recently-arrived Englishmen.

StarlightRobot · 09/09/2025 12:57

@JHound

I’m no expert but I understand Denmark didn’t stop slavery in its colonies until 1848, after an uprising by slaves in the Danish West Indies

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 12:56

cumbriaisbest · 09/09/2025 12:50

The country is a mess at the moment, we can’t look after our own much less sustain the thousands of migrants coming into the country

The country is a mess
Uncontrolled migration is not ideal

Migrants are not grabbing dental appointments or houses.

See… this is simply not true.

The influx of migrants has put huge strain on our health service, particularly our GPs and dental practices. We do not have the capacity for all of these extra people.

Same with housing… in my development of 55 houses, 20 of them have been handed over to house asylum seekers. That is 20 perfectly lovely houses that could go towards housing the 16,000 homeless Irish in this country.

How do you believe that the 1000s of people coming into this country are not putting a strain on housing and healthcare appointments? That’s just ludicrous!

And it’s is not racist to point these things out. It is fact. And the fact is, that the level of migration is putting huge strain on our infrastructure and housing to the point that the Irish are struggling and their children are leaving the country because they can’t get a leg up here.

It’s unsustainable!

Panofrashers · 09/09/2025 12:54

ReadingSoManyThreads · 09/09/2025 00:20

There's a huge difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

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Yes, and tens of thousands of Irish people immigrated ILLEGALLY. It's an inconvenient truth but it is the truth. How do I know? I was one of them! Lived in the US on a false social security number for years as did all of my Irish friends and family. Read about the Donnelly visa programme that was specifically established (due to political pressure) to legitimise the tens of thousands of illegal Irish immigrants in the US in the 1990s. And we were not fleeing war, persecution, or famine. We were economic migrants - the exact type of migrants that are being demonised now.

Beachtastic · 09/09/2025 12:51

@Muffinmam Thank you for the background to the current crisis, very interesting (and mirrors the unease being expressed in the UK too).

My earlier post about racism in Australia related really to things like colleagues at work speaking with contempt about "Asians" and a sort of insidious racism on TV, e.g. a 1-hour documentary about the murder of an Aboriginal man spending the first 40 minutes explaining that he wasn't just an alco waster, he had a proper job and all that! Not sure if it's still like that, but I remember finding it quite an unexpected culture shock on moving there from the UK.

MeTooOverHere · 09/09/2025 12:51

Correction - SOME Australians. Not all and not most.
30% of Australians were born overseas. We have over 200 nationalities living in the country. According to the 2021 Census, nearly half (48.2%) of all Australians have at least one parent born overseas, while almost one-quarter (24.8%) speak a language other than English at home. This data underscores Australia's high level of cultural diversity, with over half of the population being first or second-generation migrants.
FYI, I am almost all Irish descent and been here between 5 and 8 generations. I should be your stereotypical complaining white Aussie.

JHound · 09/09/2025 12:50

StarlightRobot · 09/09/2025 12:38

@nomas

I strongly disagree that the slave trade was abolished by Britain because it was no longer profitable. How much do you know about Wilberforce and his campaign against the slave trade and against slavery? He fought passionately for it and was instrumental in having this evil practice stopped. His motivation was driven by his faith and the horrors of slavery, and he relied on the evidence others produced which included brutal accounts from sailors and former slaves.

Other nations then followed the UK, although many dragged their feet and continued for decades longer (looking at you- USA, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Denmark, etc).

There is a lot of ignorance around the history of this

Denmark was the first European nation to ban its involvement in the TAST. This abolition took
effect on 1803, 4 years before Britain. While Britain granted emancipation before Denmark
it’s not the complete truth to say they ended slavery “decades after Britain”.

cumbriaisbest · 09/09/2025 12:50

The country is a mess at the moment, we can’t look after our own much less sustain the thousands of migrants coming into the country

The country is a mess
Uncontrolled migration is not ideal

Migrants are not grabbing dental appointments or houses.

Slabberon · 09/09/2025 12:50

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 09/09/2025 12:48

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:40

I agree, Starlia - I just didn’t know what to say in reply to it. It’s just gross.

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Why is it “gross” did you not know what to say because, even though it goes against everything you want to believe it’s true?

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:47

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:45

I have a close relative with cancer and rent to pay. It’s got nothing to do with me what happened to samoans a long time ago. get Real.
You’re carrying baggage because you like dishing out blame. Trust me, you aren’t in a healthy place psychologically by being so self righteous and punitive.
Do yourself a real favour: go be nice to people and let your holier than thou stuff go.

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It is regrettable that you are an awful person. I’m not wasting my time and energy on your bigotry and racism any further.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 12:47

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/09/2025 12:30

@MooseLooseAboutTheHoose well said.
I'm saving for private dental care, 2 DC with SN, teeth grind, not a hse or hospital appointment in sight.
They need sedation.

Same, had to go private for DC braces at the cost of €4k each as there is at least a 4 to 5 year waiting list. Can’t afford it but the work is necessary.

I haven’t been able to get a doctors appointment in months. The same doctor I have been going to for 20 years, that cared for my DC. Didn’t have an issue until 4 years ago. I’ve had to resort to online GP services and presenting at out of hours clinics if there’s been an issue.

The country is a mess at the moment, we can’t look after our own much less sustain the thousands of migrants coming into the country. It’s insanity.

Muffinmam · 09/09/2025 12:46

Clonakilla · 09/09/2025 00:17

What a pile of shit.

White Australians - I am one - don’t experience racism.

I’m also a migrant. Just not the kind of migrant these disgusting protestors mean. I’m white, speak English, and now have an Australian accent.

I can only be grateful that such a small number of racists turned up to the recent protests.

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I’m white and I was the target of racism. On more than one occasion.

Racism is an issue here. I think it’s an issue everywhere.

I have an Indian friend who was darker than members of her own family and she was the target of racism by her own family.

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:45

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:40

That’s precisely what you are doing here. And you can’t and won’t answer my question about black birding because you don’t even know what it means.

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I have a close relative with cancer and rent to pay. It’s got nothing to do with me what happened to samoans a long time ago. get Real.
You’re carrying baggage because you like dishing out blame. Trust me, you aren’t in a healthy place psychologically by being so self righteous and punitive.
Do yourself a real favour: go be nice to people and let your holier than thou stuff go.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 09/09/2025 12:45

JHound · 09/09/2025 12:29

And as for the apparent legacy of British racism, which country was a world leader in the abolition of the slave trade?

Not this Canard…yes yes the British (through the blockade of Africa, and the Africa Squadroon) were at the forefront of the fight to abolish slavery globally. And yes the Royal Navy was at the forefront of that with the nation spending 1% of GDP on that fight….

But

This was after spending centuries being enthusiastic slavers, trafficking 3-3.5 MILLION enslaved Africans to be worked to death on plantations throughout the Americas (second only in number to the Portuguese who commenced a century before.) Many of the enslaved died while being trafficked (or were deliberately mass murdered such as on the Zong) died in “Seasoning Camps”, or died after a short period on the Sugar plantations which were so barbaric and the death rates so high, they required a constant supply of newly enslaved Africans given mortality exceeded birth rates by 3% per annum. And those who did manage to survive were ethnically cleansed, denied even their names.

And the Royal Navy while the heroes of the post slavery abolition and emancipation eras was key in securing those slave routes for British slave ships.

And that’s without mentioning that modern day anti-black racism (including medical racism) is rooted in the myths created by the pro-slavery camp.

So yes we should celebrate abolition in 1807 (though emancipation took another 25 years), celebrate the work done by men such as Sharp, Wilberforce and Clarkson as well as recognising the Quakers for always being on the right
side of history on the topic of slavery.

But in recognising that let’s not downplay / whitewash Britain’s role before that yeah.

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Slavery has existed throughout history in almost ever culture. Almost every ethnicity has been subject to slavery at some point. Let’s not forget the African slave slave trade was well established before any Europeans entered the Market. So are you talking increased gully because of numbers? Europeans at the time were making use of an existing market, luckily Britain brought an end to that particular slave market.

No one alive today was responsible for the transatlantic slave trade. No one alive was a part of the transatlantic slave trade. Slavery continues in many parts of the world. That is where resources should be targeted. Sue does not need to feel guilty because of something some people did in the sane generation as her great great great great grandmother. John is not entitled to any money because of something that happened to his great great great great grandfather. Holding people responsible for the sins of their ancestors creates terrible injustices. Where do you draw a line? If my grandfather killed someone’s father should the child be able to sue me? Because essentially that is what people who are claiming reparations are saying.

nomas · 09/09/2025 12:45

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Germany did pay £86 billion to victims of the Holocaust.

IllBeLookingAtTheMoon · 09/09/2025 12:43

Just out of interest, do Samoans and Tongans have any kind of legal protection, any kind of reparations process similar to the Treaty of Waitangi process in New Zealand?

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 12:42

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:40

I agree, Starlia - I just didn’t know what to say in reply to it. It’s just gross.

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@VoulezVouz the British aside what do you think you are doing in Australia for First Nation people? We can't change things from here, but you can.

Muffinmam · 09/09/2025 12:42

HoppingPavlova · 09/09/2025 00:03

Australian here, who has close friends who are many different nationalities by birth (including Indian, Chinese) but are Australian, and I fully expect likely all my kids will partner and marry ‘non-white’ Australians, which is absolutely fine.

I’m not protesting but I think you are confused about what is being protested about. It’s not about not wanting non-white people in Australia at all, it’s not about not wanting Indian doctors and nurses in Australia, it’s about not wanting white Australians to be made second class citizens under non-white Australians which is where white Australians now see Australia going.

Here are some personal examples:

Some of my kids were looking to purchase a place, and DH and/or I would go with them to viewings (so experienced this first hand), around a third of places viewed the real estate agent straight up said they refused to sell to them as they were not Indian. They said we didn’t understand but the suburbs we were looking in were only for Indians so they would only sell to Indians. Refused to take offers. One literally threatened us when I joked and said I should get an Indian friend to come to viewings and make offers, indicated lives would be in danger if a white Australian purchased.

In other suburbs kids were looking at, many new build unit blocks. All brochures and sales were in Chinese only for that suburb and the minute you tried to talk to a sales rep ‘No English, Chinese only’ (said in English). All of this nonsense about white Australians not being able to live in certain suburbs means being pushed back from the CBD’s with longer commutes in.

With the place some of my kids ended up in, the Strata committee for the building are trying to hold meetings in a non-English language only. Kids are happy for it to be held in both languages given the majority of residents are native speakers of another language, but that’s not good enough, the committee don’t want English used at all, which means my kids can’t attend meetings or vote.

I was recently refused service at another nationalities restaurant. Went there with friends of that nationality. We sat down, restaurant made it clear to my friends that they didn’t serve white-Australians and didn’t want them in the restaurant. It’s a large restaurant in a CBD suburb. Friends were mortified, had a huge fight with restaurant and we left as they were not going to budge.

None of this is new per se, when my adult kids were at school, there was usually less than 5% white Australian kids there. That was the demographic of the areas we lived in as our preference was to live close to my work (major city hospitals) rather than out in the ‘white’ beach suburbs. The kids at school were fine but many of the parents would tell their kids not to associate with white Australians as they were ‘stupidly and lazy, and will make you get bad grades’ because I guess somehow you catch that??? Not all, I’ve got some great non-white Australian parents who became great friends, but it was the majority. My great hope was those parents would see first hand this was not true and that would stamp this nonsense out but it’s just gone further and further over the years.

That’s the basis of the current protests. Yes, it is about racism I guess, but it’s that white Australians are now sick and tired of the racism being directed at them and that they are being pushed out, and just want the current environment rolled back to an even footing.

It’s interesting you mentioned being refused service in a Chinese restaurant. I was refused service and told I would have to pay cash. The ATM was so far away - but I walked there and walked back only to realise that they did this to get rid of me. The young guy that I spoke with was embarrassed and avoided eye contact. He had originally argued with an old Chinese lady when I tried to order.

I’m wondering if we live in the same city?

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:40

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:37

This is just horrific.

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I agree, Starlia - I just didn’t know what to say in reply to it. It’s just gross.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 12:40

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 12:18

Humanitarianism In The Modern World. Cambridge University Press. 2020. ISBN 978-1108655903

The 60 million is £525,000 adjusted for inflation. Just rechecked and depending on which inflation calculator I use it varies between 55 and 60 million. Still a substantial sum.

Queen Victoria donated £2000. The equivalent of around £210,000 today.

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Could you please cite which pages of that publication you sourced your figures from? I can see on page 40 that there was £390k collected for Ireland, but this did not all come from the British government or people. This came from the wider world as well including catholic communities around the world I.e. the people who had to emigrate sending money home, US/Irish communities. I think you need to review your figures again.

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:40

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:38

please explain how you imagine you have the right to guilt trip ordinary people over what’s long gone.

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That’s precisely what you are doing here. And you can’t and won’t answer my question about black birding because you don’t even know what it means.

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:38

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:35

I have Samoan and Tongan ancestry. Please explain to me how blackbirding didn’t exist to create wealth for British colonisers and entrenched poverty for my people.

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please explain how you imagine you have the right to guilt trip ordinary people over what’s long gone.

StarlightRobot · 09/09/2025 12:38

@nomas

I strongly disagree that the slave trade was abolished by Britain because it was no longer profitable. How much do you know about Wilberforce and his campaign against the slave trade and against slavery? He fought passionately for it and was instrumental in having this evil practice stopped. His motivation was driven by his faith and the horrors of slavery, and he relied on the evidence others produced which included brutal accounts from sailors and former slaves.

Other nations then followed the UK, although many dragged their feet and continued for decades longer (looking at you- USA, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Denmark, etc).

There is a lot of ignorance around the history of this