To think most men are filthy losers

How true is this! One track minds.
I was never so happy as when my DH had a prostatectomy with the well publicised frequent side effects.
Generally I've found women have so much stronger and rounded personalities.

We have to have because when the chips are down, raising the next generation falls to us.

I actually think that there is a growing movement of SOME (and I really do mean only some) gay men who dislike women and see them only for surrogacy purposes.

This is an article by an undergraduate that doesn't even appear in a legitimate bibliographic database and only has 8 citations according to Google Scholar - credible sources would be preferred if you're going to make this kind of statement.

Which just shows just how you shouldn't jump to conclusions because I've been married nearly 30 years to a man that I have to bat off with a stick most days 😅😅

@JHound the father has 50/50 custody & works. He also gives the Mum £1000/month so DD has same standard of living. The Mum gets child benefits, tax credit as well as this £1000 maintenance. So she’s not really given up her career as she only has 50% custody & has now moved the daughter out of her home. So I would support the father on this occasion.

Yes, sadly it's about being hurt yourself, not hurting others. Makes sense as men are more likely to be sadistic and women to be masochistic.

You're telling me that men who identify as incels are happy about being celibate, yes?
This is how Wikipedia defines an incel:
'An incel is a member of an online subculture of mostly male and heterosexual people who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. They often blame, objectify, and denigrate women and girls as a result.'

Do you not see that a man who is happy about being celibate is by definition not an Incel?

Enjoying and consenting to rough sex isn’t anything like getting off to teenagers who are “barely legal” or insest

MGTOW are not incels (and the absolutely are not happy - a perusal of any MGTOW site will show, despite what they say, they remain obsessed with women).

Incel does not merely mean somebody who is celibate. By definition there is no such thing as a happy “Incel”. If they are content with celibacy
they do not call themselves that
and do not engage in misogyny.

Happily celibate.

Thank you! I see people roll this out as a “gotcha” against women and it makes me weep at how many people have such woeful and data analyst skills.

People call them incels and they say a lot of the same types of things. Look up the "men going their own way" movement.
They want to steer clear of women, don't see a use for them. Talk of creating societies of only men.
Some of them are happy to use women for sex - prostitutes mostly, as they get what they want without all the hassle (their words).
Quite similar to some of the comments on this thread.

The fact the more women are the main caregivers has got to come in to this. If equal amounts of men, or more men than women were the main caregivers, particularly single caregivers, then the rates for physical/emotional abuse and neglect where men were the perpatror would go up. It's all relative.

There was once a really good thread on here about decentering men in our lives, and it was quite a revelation.

I tried to search for it but got results like decanter, decent and debenture. Fuck the patriarchal search engine complex.

Sorry I have been laughing my head off of that!

I often hear incels act as if not being able to get a girlfriend is systemic oppression
but to hear women make the same argument is something else!
And you are right. The fact this is the closest example to the violence you mention speaks volumes.

It’s weird that you see having a “low libido” in the same category as being “toxic” or “man-hating” or “misandrist”.

Yep, that's it. You got to this response before I did and make the same point I would have made about the struggle for emancipation being in no way comparable to the desire to oppress another demographic. Aside from which, the suffragists and suffragettes were somewhat different categories.

But what's really notable to me is that the 'best' example of this the PP could come up with was from a century ago. Case demonstrated, I'd say.

The crux of the matter is that it doesn't matter how many men are decent. They're not the problem, and they don't count in discussions about the problem.

I can totally see why some women would be put off men for life; I'm sure there is only so much you can take before you become irredeemably discouraged.

Are you comparing…the woman’s suffrage movement to the incel movement?

Do you think men not being able to get their dick’s wet is the same as women being systemically oppressed?

🙄🙄🙄🙄

(And in what world is the female equivalent of a male incel…a suffragette ?!? - it would simply be a female incel.)

I've never been on OLD though.

Posters Like @Bollabol just prevent sensible conversations about male violence.

They may have had all bad experiences with men but they won't believe that other women have different experiences.

My first boyfriend of two years was possessive, violent and manipulating. 10 years later I met my DH who is totally the opposite. Many years later we are still happily married

Women will pair with men for protection, other males maybe deterred by a male protecting his female and their offspring.
Single females will face a stronger force of male attention, which includes nasty male attention.

LOL!!!

Tbf the much celebrated suffragettes did maim innocent postal workers with their letter bombs and tried to detonate bombs in churches and theatres filled with the public. They weren't anywhere near as toxic as incels but incels aren't widely celebrated as heroes.

That you KNOW of. How well do you really know them?