To think most men are filthy losers

I understand that. I have enough evidence. I was just compliling a dossier with everything in it and included it for my lawyer. I'm pretty desperate. What he has done is so bad, that I have to give this case everything I've got. Yes, I can see that although I think it's grim, they're all consenting adults on that site.

Manpanderers.

You do realise that women commit the majority of child abuse, right? Not 98% but still pretty shocking considering we're supposedly the ones with the maternal instinct. But the percentage is irrelevant in a way because we've no way of knowing which women we can trust around children. It's like the 'one poisoned sweet in the bowl' analogy.

The reality is that most us don't view the world in terms of male/female. A Jewish woman will identify more with a Jewish man over a Muslim woman in most cases. Similarly, a female antifa probs wouldn't feel much sisterhood with a female Reform voter.

For the majority of women the person they trust the most is a man. Usually their partner or husband. Statistically most women nowadays reject feminism in favour of 'equality' or 'egalitarianism'. Because let's be honest, any poor bloke whose fortune was in the hands of some of the posters ITT would have good reason to be worried!

I don't believe that.

I've not read the article and I don't need to. I don't know one woman that's been sexually abused by another woman. I know lots of women that have been sexually abused by men.

Yes, that's lived experience rather than one published paper.

I think that very few people, male or female, are wholly good or bad. We rarely know the entirety of a person’s actions, let alone thoughts. Society does demand a degree of normality in our interactions as well.
It is totally possible that someone can be a great boss, kind to kittens, run for charity AND be awful and/or sexually predatory. I always say Hitler loved his dog, and I have read he was good to his office staff, mainly female - doesn’t really balance out the rest of his ‘activities’ does it.
It seems to me that many, many men have sexual tendencies that most women would find at least a little disturbing, but apparently this cannot be true as they’ve not been seen or heard to have them personally. Obviously, at work and in everyday life actions are moderated, but even then there are many posts of lived experiences of inappropriate behaviour where the male thought it worth a go.
I agree we will not understand (as in feel) the same high/unusual urges, but we should work on understanding why and how/if it can be limited, or if not then what to do.
Maybe it ends for now as we just accept it is the way, but control it as much as possible- not making me feel enamoured of fellas - but I remain open to some being decent and would be really interested in what makes them so.

I don’t hate men. I wouldn’t want to be one. I think their lives can feel much harder to them because they can’t get what they constantly crave.

Imagine feeling horny and frustrated and like a loser all the time. Seeking status. Competing. Needing a woman and wanting children and being incapable of managing it.
So I am sort of agreeing but think it’s not helpful to just hate them and try and avoid them. They are our people - our sons.

I am very interested in how human societies have evolved to manage men’s needs and feel very fortunate to live in a place and an age where I have rights and protections. The battle to keep those rights is constant though.

I have daughters and a son, (young adults) and my lovely daughters seem to have already given up on the idea of taking on a man. Son is a good man and has already been snapped up!

There are so few good ones. Less than there were when women didn’t have rights? Because men can’t cope with that?

I don’t hate men. I wouldn’t want to be one. I think their lives can feel much harder to them because they can’t get what they constantly crave.

Imagine feeling horny and frustrated and like a loser all the time. Seeking status. Competing. Needing a woman and wanting children and being incapable of managing it.
So I am sort of agreeing but think it’s not helpful to just hate them and try and avoid them. They are our people - our sons.

I am very interested in how human societies have evolved to manage men’s needs and feel very fortunate to live in a place and an age where I have rights and protections. The battle to keep those rights is constant though.

I have daughters and a son, (young adults) and my lovely daughters seem to have already given up on the idea of taking on a man. Son is a good man and has already been snapped up!

There are so few good ones. Less than there were when women didn’t have rights? Because men can’t cope with that?

I do, I have 3 lovely sons, I know some lovely men but I’ve also experienced multiple sexual assaults, inappropriate behaviour and intimidation by men since the age of 13. You only need to read the comments by hundreds of men on recent articles about Pamela Anderson’s, Nelly furtado and katie price to see how disgusting many men’s attitudes are towards woman. They lusted over them whilst they were attractive to them and now they’re not the comments made are vile, thousand of comments about how many sexual partners they’ve had, what their vaginas look like, how they’re past it and have let themselves go, many stating there’s no excuse for a woman not being in amazing shape after children. This is post after post of misogynistic comments. So yeah I will say that far too many men are disgusting.

Easy 😂 All you have to do is say "I think men are/do ..." followed by anything less than uncritically admiring, and you will be swamped by frothing & fuming replies:

• Pretending you said "all men"
• Diagnosing various deep character flaws in you
• Trying (and failing) to turn it back on "all women"
• Refuting any evidence that you may have a point
• Denying that men make obnoxious generalisations about women
• Accusing you of bigotry 🙄

More rules of misogyny:

8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.
11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.
12. Women’s ability to recognize male behaviour patterns is misandry.

Just looked at this. Quote:

"However, this pattern of mothers appearing to show higher rates of abuse may be a methodological anomaly, since when accounting to the absence of fathers in the home, fathers are equally likely, or even more likely, to be the perpetrators of CPA (Nobes & Smith, 2000). In fact, Nobes and Smith demonstrated that children were less likely to live in homes with their fathers, and after controlling for father absence, children living with both parents were 50% more likely to receive physical abuse from their father (Nobes & Smith, 2000). Hence, the lower rate of CPA from fathers may reflect their absence from the home as opposed to an actual decreased risk for CPA perpetration."

(My emphasis.) Mothers appear, in surveys, to hit their children more because fathers are often absent from the children's lives. After adjusting for this, it transpires that 50% more fathers than mothers hit the children.

Certainly in my family home, the physical and emotional abuse all came from Dad. There were several of us, and he did it to Mum too. He also hit my nephews when they were little. I had one school friend whose mother abused her, lots whose fathers and stepfathers did. We know about the large number of relationships breaking down because of an abusive man: a high proportion of those men will abuse the children but, after separation, will see them only rarely or not at all.

There's a rapidly growing problem of teenage sons beating their mothers, too. It's been in the news lately.

Yeah, good luck calling a demographic 'filthy losers' then expecting them to stand up and challenge other men's misogyny. If I was a non-violent bloke I wouldn't be particularly keen to risk getting my head stamped on for somebody that openly despised me simply for how I was born. And I'd have no obligation to help either as I'm not responsible for the actions of other individuals.

I can relate to some of the experiences on here.
I was brought up with a misogynistic, abusive father who treated my mother and me with complete disregard. On the surface he was a respectable pillar of society but he regularly cheated on my mother and used prostitutes. Nobody in our middle class life would have seen beneath his veneer.
l learnt to keep out of his way, stay quiet, never to express any emotions and as a result I became a people pleaser with low self esteem and zero boundaries.
My two main relationships were in a lavender marriage- my husband having sex with men on his way home from work ( I found out when I caught a STD) He treated me with utter disdain after I had the children. Again, nobody would have ever guessed what went on behind closed doors. When I told him I wanted a divorce he raped me and pushed his car keys into my neck.
I escaped from him and married someone I knew from my childhood. I also knew all his family who were lovely. I felt like I had made a better choice in my second marriage and I felt safe. How wrong I was! It turned out he was a prolific cheater and also used prostitutes regularly. Like I said about my father and first husband, no one would have ever known. They came across as decent, good men who would help anyone out.
Throughout my life I was constantly groped at school (as were other girls)
I was pinned down by a man on the dance floor as I didn’t want to do a slow dance with him and he aggressively sucked and bit my neck leaving me with a horrible “love bite”
I was sunbathing in the park (decently clothed, just lying down, enjoying the lovely weather) and a man started masturbating over me.
I was sitting on the bus and a man put his fingers inside me as he was just about to get off the bus (again I wasn’t dressed provocatively, I was a sexually inexperienced 16 year old wearing an ordinary summer dress).
Since I have been single I have been approached by married men (friend’s husbands and work men ) for sex. I have not encouraged these men and I have shut down any sexual approaches immediately.
I think like OP I have tried to be nice and “kind” all my life but I realise this has not served me well. Since having counselling last year have firmer boundaries but I really feel the blame for these behaviours I’ve encountered should not be laid at my door. Nor should OP be victim blamed

It's as enraging as assholes who go on about how all women are slags and out to get men for all they can.

Those guys have lots of examples too.

I'm not sure why this thread is allowed, it wouldn't be about any other group.

Do any of these women who think all men are filthy losers have Sons?

However brave people are in battle isn't really the point. Women and children aren't the ones starting wars, so the idea that we need men to protect us is backwards - they're only protecting us from other bloody men. They could all just wind their necks in instead.

However brave people are in battle isn't really the point. Women and children aren't the ones starting wars, so the idea that we need men to protect us is backwards - they're only protecting us from other bloody men. They could all just wind their necks in instead.

Not every single case. I mean every single year it was the mother that was most likely to abuse. Obviously it's probs because the mother is most likely to be the primary carer and suffer from the resulting mental health issues - PND, general stress etc.

But it does highlight a commonly observed factor where people always look for a reason if a woman commits a crime. If it's a man it's because he's evil, if it's a woman she must've been suffering poor mental health etc.

In reality, I don't think the sexes are all that different. Outside of comparatively rare instances of serious criminality I don't find women to be any nicer than men in general. They're just different. Men are much more likely to sexually harass or make lewd comments but every time I've started a new job or attended a new exercise class and been made to feel unwelcome by a 'clique' sort of dynamic it's always women. There's loads of threads about it on here.

It seems to be well documented in studies too. For instance, the vast majority of studies on the topic have shown that women would rather have a male boss than be managed by another woman, and they feel even more strongly about it than men. Also, men collaborate better than women. The study I saw on here concluded that a man and a woman will usually collaborate better than two women will. Also that women are less inclined to help another woman the more senior she is to them at work.

So I just don't believe the sisterhood stuff. A small proportion of men are violent and they mainly direct it at other men, which is why it doesn't really seem to be misogynistic in nature for the most part. But women aren't angels. There's a lot of double standards at play.

But I can totally see why somebody that's experienced DV would be wary of men. It makes sense, just like how a lot of the people complaining about immigration are those that live in areas with high numbers of asylum seekers. Most women don't like sexism in any form. And the biggest metastudy of DV to date found that both sexes perpetrator DV for similar reasons. Also that 70% of 'one sided' DV is perpetrated by women, but the majority is bi-directional with men causing the most injury.

Some, many or most, how do you even know?

• How many men are secretly viewing child SA?
• How many men were willing to rape Gisele Pelicot?
• How many men were willing to see an advert to rape Gisele Pelicot and said nothing?
• Which men are in that group chat of 77K men who share how to rape their wives, daughters etc etc etc
• Afghanistan (enough said?)

How can we be haranguing women for using most, many or some when the above and much worse is happening even as we speak?

A lot of male soldiers are very brave and we should respect that. Obvs that doesn't apply to ones who commit war crimes. But it's v wrong to dismiss them like that. Female soldiers are brave too, ofc.

I screenshotted it as evidence. There's an upcoming court case for harassment. Or at least, I hope there will be. On this sex site, he wrote how he was looking for fat, blonde, mature women. That's what I am. So, I've been gathering evidence. When I told my lawyer about it, she ignored it. So, there's a good chance it's of no use at all. I have plenty of other stuff, though. Anyway, I don't want to get into all that. The man is awful on every level.

Well of course its no use, you sound completely deranged. Stop stalking your ex and saving images of his penis. He may be awful but have you considered that you are too?

I know good and bad people of both genders. To say most men are disgusting and awful is just misandry.

My dad was the nicest kindest man I knew. Lovely bloke. Always polite and respectful. 300 people came to his funeral and everyone said the most wonderful things about him and his many years as a youth leader.

We found out a few months ago that he was a paedophile who abused young girls. All of our daughters (his grandchildren) and daughters of our cousins and family friends. All of the girls thought it was just them and he made it clear no one would believe them. The dominos only started to fall after he died.

We are all broken by this, and my faith in men is completely gone now (was already shaky and my dad was one of only a handful of men I thought were the good ones).

My husband is truly wonderful in a million ways, but he is also obsessed with sex. He's never horrible about it but it matters to him in a way that I don’t always understand. I think men are completely driven by their urges and most women just don’t really grasp what that means for many of them.

Just thinking out loud - I wonder if quite so very many men have always been this awful. I guess religion, societal norms and close knit communities with the pressure to be ‘decent’ and ‘respectable’ previously provided more guard rails.

Porn and accessing/ sharing God knows what sort of revolting depravity online has the be a major factor.

I’ve never been involved with dating apps (married for a very long time) but do they slightly commodify women/ people?

I’ve got a friend who’s my age (early 60s) going through the app experience and it sounds like a thoroughly miserable rollercoaster - each one weirder than the last. I truly couldn’t be bothered. If I found myself single I’d just stay single and throw myself into embracing female friendships, helping my kids, volunteering etc.